No Backing Down When It Comes To Lynch and Blount

[CPHawk]

Sherman will get in Blounts head. Blount throws a punch and gets ejected...

Is Sherman a racist from Idaho?

 

[bigskydoc]

Eddie Lacy? He's not a slasher. The only time the Seahawks stopped him was on the last couple of drives when everybody and their mother knew the Packers were going to run the ball.

Clearly the Hawks choked away the first quarter when Lacy went for 54 yards on 11 carries for 4.9 YPC.


Afterwards...

He amassed an amazing 3 yards on 3 carries in the second for a stunning 1 YPC average.

Again in the 3rd he blew us up for 15 yards on 4 carries for 3.75 YPC

And in the 4th quarter when they went to the running well to run the clock down, what could Lacy do?

4 rushes for a net 1 yard and 0.25 YPC


If we ignore the first quarter (and I understand why you wouldn't), once the Hawks actually started playing, Lacy had 11 carries for 19 yards for a back breaking 1.73 YPC.


How did he fare against the Pats in a similar situation (score wise, Green Bay was up by an identical 9 points at 23-14 going into the 4th). Well, he had remarkably similar arc to his performance in the first 3 quarters (6.67 YPC, 1.25YPC, 3.25YPC), but in the 4th he went on a tear for 37 yards on 6 carries for 6.17 YPC. Unlike the Hawks, you couldn't close the deal when the game was on the line.

Incidentally, in the first game of the season, we held Lacy to 34 yards on 12 carries for 2.8 YPC for the game.

With stats, it's like shooting fish in a barrel with these Pats fans.

- bsd

 

[ExpatPack]

Eddie Lacy? He's not a slasher. The only time the Seahawks stopped him was on the last couple of drives when everybody and their mother knew the Packers were going to run the ball.

Clearly the Hawks choked away the first quarter when Lacy went for 54 yards on 11 carries for 4.9 YPC.


Afterwards...

He amassed an amazing 3 yards on 3 carries in the second for a stunning 1 YPC average.

Again in the 3rd he blew us up for 15 yards on 4 carries for 3.75 YPC

And in the 4th quarter when they went to the running well to run the clock down, what could Lacy do?

4 rushes for a net 1 yard and 0.25 YPC


If we ignore the first quarter (and I understand why you wouldn't), once the Hawks actually started playing, Lacy had 11 carries for 19 yards for a back breaking 1.73 YPC.


How did he fare against the Pats in a similar situation (score wise, Green Bay was up by an identical 9 points at 23-14 going into the 4th). Well, he had remarkably similar arc to his performance in the first 3 quarters (6.67 YPC, 1.25YPC, 3.25YPC), but in the 4th he went on a tear for 37 yards on 6 carries for 6.17 YPC. Unlike the Hawks, you couldn't close the deal when the game was on the line.

Incidentally, in the first game of the season, we held Lacy to 34 yards on 12 carries for 2.8 YPC for the game.

With stats, it's like shooting fish in a barrel with these Pats fans.

- bsd

I'm not taking sides here. Indeed, they shut Lacy down in the 2nd half and especially in the 4th when the Packers went way conservative on their playcalling. When the Packers were mixing it up Lacy ran very well.

Is Blount as good as Lynch? no. Is he as good as Lacy? no. I'm just saying that punishing runners can be effective against the Seahawks running in between the tackles. Running outside on the Hawks is less effective because of their speed. Straight ahead power is more effective IMO.

 

[bigskydoc]

When the Packers were mixing it up Lacy ran very well.
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No he did not, as I just demonstrated.

We pretty much boned the first quarter by giving them the ball for all but 2 min, 16 sec. His production in the 1st was as much a byproduct of weird volume as it was Lacy running well, but I will give you the 1st quarter.

When they mixed it up in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, we pretty much shut him down. When they went run heavy in the obvious situation in the 4th, we completely shut him down.

When they were mixing it up in our first game, we shut him down. They went pass heavy for the second half of that game, so for the sake of argument when Green Bay was mixing it up this year, we shut down Lacy for 4 out of 5 quarters, holding him to 49 yards on 18 carries for 2.72 YPC.

Even including the extremely high variance 1st quarter of the NFCCG, when Green Bay was "mixing it up" against us this year, Lacy only produced 103 yards on 29 carries for 3.56 YPC.

- bsd RPA

 

[ExpatPack]

When the Packers were mixing it up Lacy ran very well.
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No he did not, as I just demonstrated.

We pretty much boned the first quarter by giving them the ball for all but 2 min, 16 sec. His production in the 1st was as much a byproduct of weird volume as it was Lacy running well, but I will give you the 1st quarter.

When they mixed it up in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, we pretty much shut him down. When they went run heavy in the obvious situation in the 4th, we completely shut him down.

When they were mixing it up in our first game, we shut him down. They went pass heavy for the second half of that game, so for the sake of argument when Green Bay was mixing it up this year, we shut down Lacy for 4 out of 5 quarters, holding him to 49 yards on 18 carries for 2.72 YPC.

Even including the extremely high variance 1st quarter of the NFCCG, when Green Bay was "mixing it up" against us this year, Lacy only produced 103 yards on 29 carries for 3.56 YPC.

- bsd RPA

First of all, comparing the 1st game to the last game you played against the Packers is silly. You know very well how different the 2 teams were at the beginning and the end of the season. Lacy not only ran meh against the Seahawks, he had few yards against a lot of teams until after the bye week.

Second, the combination of Lacy and Starks did well in quarters 1, as you said, and near the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th. In the 2nd Seattle shut the run down. In the 3rd quarter there was only one series where the Packers ran the ball. which was on their 1st series. Second series was all pass. At 6:53 Packers went back to that run and from there on Seattle defense played heavy on the run with 9 men in the box at the 5:00 mark, and the Packers chose to run the ball to take time off the clock rather than take a chance on a pass.

 

[bigskydoc]

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Well, at least we are making progress, we went from

Eddie Lacy? He's not a slasher. The only time the Seahawks stopped him was on the last couple of drives when everybody and their mother knew the Packers were going to run the ball.

to this

Indeed, they shut Lacy down in the 2nd half and especially in the 4th when the Packers went way conservative on their playcalling. When the Packers were mixing it up Lacy ran very well.

to this

In the 2nd (quarter) Seattle shut the run down.

So it looks like you have come to agree with me. For 3/4ths of the game, Seattle shut down Lacy.

comparing the 1st game to the last game you played against the Packers is silly.

It is a lot less silly than bringing up Starks' production when you are disputing the claim that "the Hawks have done a good job containing power, north-south running backs (like Lacy and Blount) while struggling against shifty, east-west, slashing style backs"... like Starks.

In the 3rd quarter there was only one series where the Packers ran the ball.

Actually 2ish. As you pointed out above, there was a drive spanning the end of the 3rd start of the 4th that was run heavy. I wonder why they went away from the run in the second series? Maybe because Lacy had been shut down for close to 26 minutes at that point.

- bsd