Niners get 3 3rd round comp picks

[SantaClaraHawk]

49ers get another third-round compensatory pick for Texans hiring DeMeco Ryans

The 49ers are continuing to benefit from having a diverse staff of assistant coaches and personnel executives.

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For the 49ers, who already had Ran Carthon hired from their personnel department to become GM of the Titans, they’re now getting three third-round compensatory picks in this hiring cycle: 2023 and 2024 picks for Carthon and a 2025 pick for Ryans.

The 49ers also received third-round compensatory picks when the Commanders hired Martin Mayhew as General Manager, when the Jets hired Robert Saleh as head coach and when the Dolphins hired Mike McDaniel as head coach. They’ve now benefited from this rule with five different hirings, an impressive result for San Francisco.

 

[Jac]

Interesting. I'm pretty sure that a 49er fan said on this board that front office/coaching compensatory picks would be same year (i.e., all 2023). In any event, it's hard to maintain long-term success. Other teams want what you have and continue pillaging. Eventually you run out of replacements as good as the originals.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Go Hawks

 

[Ozzy]

It's kind of wild that during the Seahawks run very few coaches were taken from the staff when you see other programs lose guys every year. Am I remembering this wrong? It's possible.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Interesting. I'm pretty sure that a 49er fan said on this board that front office/coaching compensatory picks would be same year (i.e., all 2023). In any event, it's hard to maintain long-term success. Other teams want what you have and continue pillaging. Eventually you run out of replacements as good as the originals.

I dunno. Theyve been losing minortities to hc and gm jobs for three years straight and just keep making up for it. Five shanty hires in three years is impressive In any case. I haven’t seen that here since Quinn.

 

[GGotskill]

It's kind of wild that during the Seahawks run very few coaches were taken from the staff when you see other programs lose guys every year. Am I remembering this wrong? It's possible.

We've lost guys over the years, for sure. Used to happen a lot more. Quinn, Bradley. Hell Saleh actually was poached from Seattle's staff. Norton became a DC after being a LB coach here. That's just off the top of my head, and not including a bunch of lower positional coaches.

 

[FrodosFinger]

They picked Drake Jackson last year. Haven’t heard his name all year lol
Doubt he even makes their team next year. Compensatory picks aren’t all that great considering their basically 4th rounders

 

[Ozzy]

We've lost guys over the years, for sure. Used to happen a lot more. Quinn, Bradley. Hell Saleh actually was poached from Seattle's staff. Norton became a DC after being a LB coach here. That's just off the top of my head, and not including a bunch of lower positional coaches.

but some of those guys weren't poached they were fired or let go. But regardless that is more than I remember so I was at least partially wrong. We just haven't seen our OC/DC get taken for head coaching jobs but even then Quinn, Bradley did go on. I think Saleh did because of his time in the SF system.

 

[GGotskill]

but some of those guys weren't poached they were fired or let go. But regardless that is more than I remember so I was at least partially wrong. We just haven't seen our OC/DC get taken for head coaching jobs but even then Quinn, Bradley did go on. I think Saleh did because of his time in the SF system.

Who are you referring to being fired or let go? Every person I listed was promoted into a coordinator or head coaching position.

 

[Ozzy]

Are Quinn/Bradely the only to coordinators to leave for head coaching jobs from here? That was my initial point, Some programs seem to lose their DC every couple of years because their system is so respected. I don't feel like we've lot many DC/OC guys to head coaching jobs like other programs have but again maybe I'm overselling teams like SF, NE etc in this regard.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I read it wrong, for some reason I was reading Norton backwards. Are Quinn/Bradely the only to coordinators to leave for head coaching jobs from here?

Pretty sure. I don’t remember anyone ever interviewing an from sea for a gm post, either.

Id say Mike Shanahan is the new Bill Walsh coaching tree, and that’s largely due to his son.

 

[GGotskill]

Are Quinn/Bradely the only to coordinators to leave for head coaching jobs from here? That was my initial point, Some programs seem to lose their DC every couple of years because their system is so respected. I don't feel like we've lot many DC/OC guys to head coaching jobs like other programs have but again maybe I'm overselling teams like SF, NE etc in this regard.

Having two coordinators hired as head coaches is actually above average, considering most head coaches don't last long nowadays.

SF's just recently had a number of head coaches come out of that system, but nothing really leading up to that point.

NE's system has repeatedly produced horrible head coaches, so not sure if that is the example for a positive or negative.

All in all, to even get one coordinator to a head coaching position puts that coaching tree in the upper tier of the statistic.

I also think there is something to be said about it being a copycat league, and owners trying to catch the latest wave. That's why Quinn and Bradley hurt so much. It was the defense that the entire league was trying to emulate, to the point that it no longer is the newest wrinkle to exploit.

Shanahan (in SF) isn't running that defense. It's actually a modified/updated Pete Carroll defense they have been running there for a few years. So as much as SF has had some coaches poached, it's not due to Shanahan's influence.

 

[KinesProf]

It's kind of wild that during the Seahawks run very few coaches were taken from the staff when you see other programs lose guys every year. Am I remembering this wrong? It's possible.

Bradley left for Jags Head Coaching job; Quinn for ATL; Norton got the Raiders DC job; Saleh left for a promotion; Farwell got poached to become the Bills Special Teams coordinator; Marquand Manuel received a promotion to go with Quinn to ATL. Yes, you're probably remembering this wrong.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Bradley left for Jags Head Coaching job; Quinn for ATL; Norton got the Raiders DC job; Saleh left for a promotion; Farwell got poached to become the Bills Special Teams coordinator; Marquand Manuel received a promotion to go with Quinn to ATL. Yes, you're probably remembering this wrong.

So you’re saying there have been like 2 guys in two decades who’ve been poached to be hc or gm in like decades.

 

[Ozzy]

So you’re saying there have been like 2 guys in two decades who’ve been poached to be hc or gm in like decades.

Yeah that was my original point. No one was after Hurtt, Norton, Bevell, Schotty etc during our massive run and it seems like other teams similar to us lost more guys. It was a gut feeling but it seems to be somewhat true. Of course we’ve lost some guys beneath that but all teams have, it’s a fraternity. I just don’t think the Pete Carroll tree is innovative or something others view as just have for their teams like Shanahan, NE(Although that has work off) that was the main point

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

No one requested interviews with Waldron, which is a bit curious.

 

[BASF]

No one requested interviews with Waldron, which is a bit curious.

He is largely responsible for Geno's last month (which several posters love to bring up to knock Geno) as the routes we were running were not refreshed nearly enough. I know that it is difficult to focus on as you watch games, but variations on route combinations is one of the most important aspects of December and January football. You have to put things on the field that teams have not seen on film. Waldron did not do enough of that in the last month and a half of the season. As such, people were jumping routes left and right. Makes those "interceptable throws" much more frequent when your route combinations are seen too much.

 

[seatownlowdown]

He is largely responsible for Geno's last month (which several posters love to bring up to knock Geno) as the routes we were running were not refreshed nearly enough. I know that it is difficult to focus on as you watch games, but variations on route combinations is one of the most important aspects of December and January football. You have to put things on the field that teams have not seen on film. Waldron did not do enough of that in the last month and a half of the season. As such, people were jumping routes left and right. Makes those "interceptable throws" much more frequent when your route combinations are seen too much.

true. it wasn't just geno that cooled off. pass pro and playcalling also cooled off the 2nd half of the year.

 

[ryank24]

So you’re saying there have been like 2 guys in two decades who’ve been poached to be hc or gm in like decades.

If we’re talking GM’s too…Scott Fitterer was poached by the Panthers to be their GM. Scot McLoughan wasn’t “poached”, but he left the Seahawks and a year later took over as WFT GM.

 

[KinesProf]

So you’re saying there have been like 2 guys in two decades who’ve been poached to be hc or gm in like decades.

Re-read it. I wasn't referring strictly to Head Coaches, I was replying to the post that I quoted.

"very few coaches were taken from the staff"