More 49ers implosion awesomeness...

[Maulbert]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/672646220939026433[/tweet]

Wut? The Niners actually have a front office these days?

Of course they do. Here's a live look in at it:

 

[KitsapGuy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/672693021138288640[/tweet]

 

[ringless]

If he really is the leak this sucks. How will we get all that juicy gossip that stirs around the FO.

49ers fans should be happy anyways..

@Kyle_McLorgBASG 9h9 hours ago
As @SoCaliSteph mentioned, Tomsula was a no show at the facility yesterday as a result of growing discord with Paraag Marathe

Kyle McLorg ‏@Kyle_McLorgBASG 9h9 hours ago
I'm told 49ers PR was instructed to stay mum about Tomsula's absence. Obviously explains why his press conference got moved

 

[Marvin49]

My initial reaction to Paraag leaving? Thank God.

He was never a football guy and was in a football decision making position. Never understood it. He's been a source of hate for Niner fans for almost a decade. He's from the Billy Beane school of metrics and has tried to apply them to Football and I personally don't think it's ever really worked.

Most importantly as Ringless posted its been reported by local bloggers that Paraag has been the source of an embarrassing number of leaks coming out of the building. Was that him on his own accord or leaking in concert with the owner? No idea.

Does this resolve all of their issues? Far, far, FAR from it...but IMO its a good start.

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^^ I'm basically indifferent to Marathe being demoted. I don't think anyone actually knows enough about him to know if it matters or not.

Here's what I DO FIND entertaining and hilarious about this though:

With this news yet again we have another data point as to why nobody should ever listen to Tim Kawakami. :lol:

Explanation:

The reporting on this came from two sources, Matt Maiocco for the Marathe demotion, and a Niners Nation writer for the Tomsula and Marathe feud causing Tomsula to miss his presser on Wednesday. There's also some rumors flying around that it's both Tomsula and Baalke who are having a problem with Marathe.

What's friggin hilarious about this is that if all this reporting is to be believed (which Kawakami himself believes), it turns out that everything Kawakami has been saying this year was, like usual, total BS.

Kawakami has spent the last six weeks or so pushing the hell out of his "scapegoat" list, and according to him this whole time Marathe was totally untouchable, whereas Tomsula was next man up on the scapegoat list. He then hedged and said next man up might be Baalke, and that the only true totally untouchable to Jed York was Marathe.

Well, it turns out that as discerning followers of bay area media already know, Kawakami continues to have no idea what's going on inside the building w/ the 9ers, and per usual is just throwing out BS and insisting it's based on anything but bombast-for-clicks.

The (according to Kawkami) entirely untouchable Marathe just got demoted in deference to Tomsula, and maybe in deference to Baalke too. Way to go, sage!

It will be fun to watch Kawakami spend the next month re-spinning this as him always being right again. :lol:

 

[Marvin49]

^^^^ I'm basically indifferent to Marathe being demoted. I don't think anyone actually knows enough about him to know if it matters or not.

Here's what I DO FIND entertaining and hilarious about this though:

With this news yet again we have another data point as to why nobody should ever listen to Tim Kawakami. :lol:

Explanation:

The reporting on this came from two sources, Matt Maiocco for the Marathe demotion, and a Niners Nation writer for the Tomsula and Marathe feud causing Tomsula to miss his presser on Wednesday. There's also some rumors flying around that it's both Tomsula and Baalke who are having a problem with Marathe.

What's friggin hilarious about this is that if all this reporting is to be believed (which Kawakami himself believes), it turns out that everything Kawakami has been saying this year was, like usual, total BS.

Kawakami has spent the last six weeks or so pushing the hell out of his "scapegoat" list, and according to him this whole time Marathe was totally untouchable, whereas Tomsula was next man up on the scapegoat list. He then hedged and said next man up might be Baalke, and that the only true totally untouchable to Jed York was Marathe.

Well, it turns out that as discerning followers of bay area media already know, Kawakami continues to have no idea what's going on inside the building w/ the 9ers, and per usual is just throwing out BS and insisting it's based on anything but bombast-for-clicks.

The (according to Kawkami) entirely untouchable Marathe just got demoted in deference to Tomsula, and maybe in deference to Baalke too. Way to go, sage!

It will be fun to watch Kawakami spend the next month re-spinning this as him always being right again. :lol:

...and now Kawakami is calling the removal of Paraag as "Massive". Not sure how massive it is. I think its a step in the right direction, but I'd hardly call it massive.

Who they hire to replace him if Al Guido doesn't take that position permanently (he's taking over those duties for now) is the bigger question.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Classic 'finger in the ear' approach from Popeye and Marvin to Tim Kawakami's excellent report.

Tim continues to lead the way reporting on the 49ers total explosion from legit NFC contender to laughing stock of the NFL.

Three cheers for Tim.

 

[Popeyejones]

...and now Kawakami is calling the removal of Paraag as "Massive". Not sure how massive it is. I think its a step in the right direction, but I'd hardly call it massive.

Yeah, as Kawakami definitely used to know but I guess forgot at some point, the "President" role of the 49ers is completely divorced from football operations. It's not like this on all teams, but Baalke as GM runs all football operations and reports directly to York, and Yu/Marathe/Guido run all non-football operations and report directly to York.

A couple possibilities here, the first banal and meaningless, and the other more meaningful:

BORING (BUT LIKELY) OPTION 1: This literally means nothing, as how we've already seen with the transition from Yu to Marathe, York might just be treating the "President" role as a rotating position in which people who specialize in the needed thing step into it and out of it. Yu was "President" to get the stadium deal done, and then stepped out of that role but still stayed with the team after that goal was accomplished.

Then Marathe, the salary cap specialist, stepped into the "President" role when the big thing moving forward over the last few years was to manage the salary cap transition everyone knew the 9ers would be going through. That transition is now done, though, so Marathe steps down from the "President" role but also still stays with the organizations and keeps specializing in what he's specializing in.

So the question is, what's the big issue coming up that the "President" role would be dealing with? After all the protesting, the banner flying over Levi's last week and all the talk of selling of seat licenses and under-attendance, you're going to want to put in the "President" role the person who can transition through that while the team sucks..

Here's Al Guido's job description from the 49ers website: "sales, fan experience/service, marketing, stadium operations, corporate communications" :lol: :lol:

I seriosuly think this is what could be going on.


OPTION 2: This is really about Marathe and leaks about Kaepernick, and Marathe and warring with Tomsula over in-game playcalling and analytics. If that's true, the key part here is that for the 49ers the "President" role is not part of the hierarchy for football operations. So, if these things about Marathe are true, it basically means he was meddling on the "football operations" side of thing when he's absolutely not supposed in the organizational hierachy, and he just got demoted for it.


I'm gonna repost this over on the Zone b/c I really don't know why I post in depth stuff like this on a Hawks forum for you as my audience of 1. :lol:

 

[chris98251]

If this was a isolated incident the above post may be more accurate, but looking at the trend of situations at the 49ers complex it is just the next step in Baalke and the whole organization getting blown up at years end. Front office in fighting with the GM, President, Coach never ever ends well. We seen it here with Whitsitt, Ruskell, Holmgren, Mora.

The real question is Jed York going to bring in a real front office football guys that has the credibility to repair operations, Baalke is on borrowed time I think now.

Who are they going to bring in as President? They hire the GM and he hires the Coach and works the player aspect.

Dominos are about to start falling.

 

[Popeyejones]

If this was a isolated incident the above post may be more accurate, but looking at the trend of situations at the 49ers complex it is just the next step in Baalke and the whole organization getting blown up at years end. Front office in fighting with the GM, President, Coach never ever ends well. We seen it here with Whitsitt, Ruskell, Holmgren, Mora.

The real question is Jed York going to bring in a real front office football guys that has the credibility to repair operations, Baalke is on borrowed time I think now.

Who are they going to bring in as President? They hire the GM and he hires the Coach and works the player aspect.

Not trying to be a jerk, but I think you should read the post more closely (or just about the situation in general), as you're missing some pretty key things such as:

1) This is happening after the season is over. It's not happening right now. And who they're "bringing in" as President is through promotion: Al Guido.

2) In the 9ers organizational structure the President is not above the GM, and doesn't hire the GM.

3) If this means anything, it doesn't mean anything at all about Baalke. Actually, even if it did mean anything about Baalke, it would mean more security for Baalke, not less (although that it means anything for Baalke is a stretch). FWIW Baalke's contract is up after next season, but the only way this can be spun (if someone wants to spin it) is as a +1 for Baalke.

It's why the Kawakami thing is so funny, because if this means anything interesting, it means his "untouchable" golden boy just got demoted out of deference to the people who he's been claiming had their heads on the chopping block.

 

[Marvin49]

If this was a isolated incident the above post may be more accurate, but looking at the trend of situations at the 49ers complex it is just the next step in Baalke and the whole organization getting blown up at years end. Front office in fighting with the GM, President, Coach never ever ends well. We seen it here with Whitsitt, Ruskell, Holmgren, Mora.

The real question is Jed York going to bring in a real front office football guys that has the credibility to repair operations, Baalke is on borrowed time I think now.

Who are they going to bring in as President? They hire the GM and he hires the Coach and works the player aspect.

Dominos are about to start falling.

Could very well be. Really don't know what to expect. Paraag was Yorks right hand man since he took over the team, so in reality I don't know what to expect next.

Could Baalke and/or Tomsula be next? Maybe. Could they bring in a Holmgren or someone like that who had expressed interest to play a role similar to John McVays in the past? Who knows. Lord knows Holmgren wasn't all that great in Cleveland in that role.

To me though I'm encouraged that SOMETHING has happened that might signal a shift from what right now is obviously not working. What form that transition takes...I got no clue.

 

[Marvin49]

Classic 'finger in the ear' approach from Popeye and Marvin to Tim Kawakami's excellent report.

Tim continues to lead the way reporting on the 49ers total explosion from legit NFC contender to laughing stock of the NFL.

Three cheers for Tim.

Here, here!

Right. "Finger in Ear".

I said I didn't view this as a "massive" change (which I'm really not averse to at the moment) and that's the same as not listening.

M-Kay.

 

[Laloosh]

Can any of our resident 49er fans summarize what (outside of the leaks rumor) he was doing to interfere with the football side of things?

 

[Marvin49]

Can any of our resident 49er fans summarize what (outside of the leaks rumor) he was doing to interfere with the football side of things?

Its never been transparent, but rumors have always been that he had tentrils into a number of things. He is bigtime into metrics so there have been rumors that he created metrics for what to do in a variety of different situations (when to punt, when to go for two) etc and at one time it was reported he was the one in the booth telling them when to challenge a call, etc, etc.

Who know exactly how far that all went as these have only ever been rumors.

For sure, he was and will remain (at least that's how its been reported) their #1 guy in terms of the cap and contract negotiations.

The fact tho that he is not a football guy and that reportedly he had so much sway in so many different aspects of the team made him the object of hate by many Niner fans.

 

[Popeyejones]

Can any of our resident 49er fans summarize what (outside of the leaks rumor) he was doing to interfere with the football side of things?

For sure, although the "interfere" thing is kinda tricky, and in my post above I probably wasn't clear enough about it (same thing happened when I reposted that post over on the Zone).

Two Sentence Backstory: For the 49ers "President" handles all non-football operations. GM (who handles all football operations) and President both report directly to York.

Marathe was President, but at the same time he also was in control of salary cap, negotiations, and ran the analytics department (all positions that report to Baalke on the Football Operations side of things). So for his football side jobs he reports to Baalke, and for his "President" job he's at the same level as Baalke and reports to York.

Three Rumors as to What Marathe Was Doing

1) Leaking criticism of Kaepernick.

2) Getting into with Tomsula over analytics and in-game management (although Tomsula strongly denies this, and if forced to believe what ANYBODY in the 9ers org says, I'd probably pick Tomsula).

3) Growing distrust between Marathe and players/their agents from his role as contract negotiator.

Why it's complicated: For #2 and #3 this is normal stuff that can happen on the football side of things, and it's could just be him dealing with his jobs ON the football side of things.

The problem though is that in addition to those jobs, he's the team President, so in essence, because you have the team President ALSO dealing with a lot of football things you have the President basically "interfering" in football things which aren't his job.

So, either you remove him from all of his "football side" jobs and leave him as President (not great, because you're removing him from the things he's known for and that he's ostensibly good at), or you remove him from the non-football President job and promote someone as President from the non-football side who doesn't have jobs that spill over into the football side.

The second one is what they ended up doing.

Lemme know if any of this is unclear and I'll try it again. :th2thumbs:

 

[Sports Hernia]

Classic 'finger in the ear' approach from Popeye and Marvin to Tim Kawakami's excellent report.

Tim continues to lead the way reporting on the 49ers total explosion from legit NFC contender to laughing stock of the NFL.

Three cheers for Tim.

I'd buy Timmy a drink or two. Seems like a swell fella. 8)

 

[chris98251]

If this was a isolated incident the above post may be more accurate, but looking at the trend of situations at the 49ers complex it is just the next step in Baalke and the whole organization getting blown up at years end. Front office in fighting with the GM, President, Coach never ever ends well. We seen it here with Whitsitt, Ruskell, Holmgren, Mora.

The real question is Jed York going to bring in a real front office football guys that has the credibility to repair operations, Baalke is on borrowed time I think now.

Who are they going to bring in as President? They hire the GM and he hires the Coach and works the player aspect.

Not trying to be a jerk, but I think you should read the post more closely (or just about the situation in general), as you're missing some pretty key things such as:

1) This is happening after the season is over. It's not happening right now. And who they're "bringing in" as President is through promotion: Al Guido.

2) In the 9ers organizational structure the President is not above the GM, and doesn't hire the GM.

3) If this means anything, it doesn't mean anything at all about Baalke. Actually, even if it did mean anything about Baalke, it would mean more security for Baalke, not less (although that it means anything for Baalke is a stretch). FWIW Baalke's contract is up after next season, but the only way this can be spun (if someone wants to spin it) is as a +1 for Baalke.

It's why the Kawakami thing is so funny, because if this means anything interesting, it means his "untouchable" golden boy just got demoted out of deference to the people who he's been claiming had their heads on the chopping block.

You really have Guido as your President? Understand I thought it was a joke.........................

Someone is going to be swimming with da fishes in S.F.

 

[Popeyejones]

You really have Guido as your President? Understand I thought it was a joke.........................

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is a VERY valid point.

Yeah, I said "ah ****!" when I first read that he was the new prez too.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

^^^^ I'm basically indifferent to Marathe being demoted. I don't think anyone actually knows enough about him to know if it matters or not.

Here's what I DO FIND entertaining and hilarious about this though:

With this news yet again we have another data point as to why nobody should ever listen to Tim Kawakami. :lol:

Explanation:

The reporting on this came from two sources, Matt Maiocco for the Marathe demotion, and a Niners Nation writer for the Tomsula and Marathe feud causing Tomsula to miss his presser on Wednesday. There's also some rumors flying around that it's both Tomsula and Baalke who are having a problem with Marathe.

What's friggin hilarious about this is that if all this reporting is to be believed (which Kawakami himself believes), it turns out that everything Kawakami has been saying this year was, like usual, total BS.

Kawakami has spent the last six weeks or so pushing the hell out of his "scapegoat" list, and according to him this whole time Marathe was totally untouchable, whereas Tomsula was next man up on the scapegoat list. He then hedged and said next man up might be Baalke, and that the only true totally untouchable to Jed York was Marathe.

Well, it turns out that as discerning followers of bay area media already know, Kawakami continues to have no idea what's going on inside the building w/ the 9ers, and per usual is just throwing out BS and insisting it's based on anything but bombast-for-clicks.

The (according to Kawkami) entirely untouchable Marathe just got demoted in deference to Tomsula, and maybe in deference to Baalke too. Way to go, sage!

It will be fun to watch Kawakami spend the next month re-spinning this as him always being right again. :lol:

So it seems that Spin class with Marvin is going well?

 

[Sports Hernia]

^^^^ I'm basically indifferent to Marathe being demoted. I don't think anyone actually knows enough about him to know if it matters or not.

Here's what I DO FIND entertaining and hilarious about this though:

With this news yet again we have another data point as to why nobody should ever listen to Tim Kawakami. :lol:

Explanation:

The reporting on this came from two sources, Matt Maiocco for the Marathe demotion, and a Niners Nation writer for the Tomsula and Marathe feud causing Tomsula to miss his presser on Wednesday. There's also some rumors flying around that it's both Tomsula and Baalke who are having a problem with Marathe.

What's friggin hilarious about this is that if all this reporting is to be believed (which Kawakami himself believes), it turns out that everything Kawakami has been saying this year was, like usual, total BS.

Kawakami has spent the last six weeks or so pushing the hell out of his "scapegoat" list, and according to him this whole time Marathe was totally untouchable, whereas Tomsula was next man up on the scapegoat list. He then hedged and said next man up might be Baalke, and that the only true totally untouchable to Jed York was Marathe.

Well, it turns out that as discerning followers of bay area media already know, Kawakami continues to have no idea what's going on inside the building w/ the 9ers, and per usual is just throwing out BS and insisting it's based on anything but bombast-for-clicks.

The (according to Kawkami) entirely untouchable Marathe just got demoted in deference to Tomsula, and maybe in deference to Baalke too. Way to go, sage!

It will be fun to watch Kawakami spend the next month re-spinning this as him always being right again. :lol:

So it seems that Spin class with Marvin is going well?

:lol: :th2thumbs: