No one believed Flynn was going to Miami. You're doing the same thing you ripped Kiper for in his first mock; assigning a body to fill a perceived void without understanding the totality of the situation. Its not excuses, it's reality.
theENGLISHseahawk":zv0soz11 said:pehawk":zv0soz11 said:Signing Matt Flynn wasn't going to save Holmgren's job. He no longer had the leeway to bring in FA QB's, because, his misses there already had the wagons circling.
Last I checked Philbin had Tannehill's HC as OC. They we're in a rebuilding year. The new CBA actually made it a smarter move to draft Tannehill. I knew before all this that the Dolphins were never going to sign Matt Flynn. I guess Jason Cole never reported it, so you wouldn't have known, but it was obvious to ANYONE reading between the lines it wasn't going to happen, it was never going to happen in Miami. They needed. their TJack, non-threatening bridge type...ya know...Moore. It would've been FLAT DUMB.
The Miami argument is just ignorant or the real world.
Just excuses.
"They didn't sign him because it was a crescent moon that night"
But I'm pleased for you that you knew Miami's plans last off-season.
bellingerga":zv0soz11 said:Not that surprising? I think you and I live on two different planets, not in two different countries.
Surprises the hell out of me when you could get an awesome trade value out of him.
Hold on to Flynn till some team starts panicking that they haven't found the right QB yet, then get some good value.
Cutting him? Nope. That makes no sense to me and would be a huge surprise.
Awesome trade value? You might be in for a shock unfortunately. Just my take. Same planet.
HawkWow":zv0soz11 said:People call Flynn "a career back-up" like he went from team to team, never able to secure a starting slot no matter how badly those teams expected him to start. How many QBs in this league would beat out Rodgers? After Brady's most recent performance, I'd say the answer to that question is... zero.
Now, how many QBs in this league could beat out Wilson? I'm sure he's better today than he was when named the starter, but how much better? Obviously JS and PC saw something in Wilson....and they were obviously correct.
The majority of posters in here have proclaimed there is not one QB in the league they would trade RW for. I am probably in that camp as well.
So, what we know about Flynn is that he has excelled when called upon (vs. NE and Detroit) and got beat out in Seattle's camp by what many apparently believe to be the best QB in the world. I'm not saying Flynn's worthy of a 1st rounder, but I do believe an asterisk belongs next to the description of "career back-up". YMMV.
We can use an asterisk if you want, but he is a career back-up. It's not an unfair description given he's been a back-up for his whole NFL career so far.
pehawk":33mhdxpo said:I disagree, Chris, I think Flynn's going to be gone. The Seahawks have built a VERY nice reputation with players by doing right by them. Flynn wants to start, they'll do right by him. This tweet was a lure fished out by either JS or Flynn's representation, to do right by him.
Mtjhoyas":c4joo678 said:pehawk":c4joo678 said:Mtjhoyas":c4joo678 said:Not to start a fight here, but I have 2 things to rebuttal here;
1) Miami was not guaranteed to draft Tannehill. A) there was nothing set in stone saying they would draft him (mere speculation). B) There was no guarantee he'd be available at their pick.
Hmm, how did Pete know Russell Wilson would be available in round 3, when JS wanted him in round 2?
Huh? I'm confused what this has to do with Flynn. I don't think Pete knew, he just took a calculated risk by waiting until R3. Nobody knows exactly where guys will be drafted. They trust their evaluations and whatever info they can dig up and make calculated risks/gambles/decisions (by either drafting early or waiting as long as they are comfortable).
chris98251":1a138pw8 said:pinksheets":1a138pw8 said:I don't believe, even slightly, that we're still a Super Bowl team if Matt Flynn is our QB. So why keep him? A top QB being essential has nothing to do with having an above average backup. If your starter goes down, your season is in trouble, and that'd be the same whether or not we're rolling out Flynn or Tarvaris Jackson next year.chris98251":1a138pw8 said:Flynn knows our system, were going for it this next year, Wilsons salary low versus Flynns salary still ranks us as a low cost team for QB's. English has stated you can't win a Super Bowl unless you have a top 10 pick at QB in this leage, now he is saying a qualified back up isn't necessary. Dolphins would say shame on you, 49ers had Monatan and Young, I guess that was a waste of cap money also and never paid off. Jeez what would have heppened if Pittsburgh would have had a actual legitimate QB to fill in for Ben when he got hurt this year. A tem in a serious contention position doesn't need a grooming QB, they need someone that can manage and not lose games and have the tools to win if necessary.
English has a lot of good information, I just beleive he has a under appreciation in some cases of QB's and a over confidence on the media declaring others sure fire.
I'm 100% in the cut him if you can't trade him camp. We can find someone for cheap to backup Russ and better use that money. Flynn and Russell are very different players, so it's not like we're looking at some sort of smooth transition if we need to call Matt in.
Well how well did Green Bay do after Majik man was down, Schieder I'm sure is aware of that situation.
Brunell was there in the event of a injury till the heir was established and the market was ready for him, I see Flynn as the same way. Flynn has shown flashes of being able to win games, has the respect of his team mates and can manage games.
This isn't MADDEN, value in depth is what got us to where we were this year on defense, just as value at WR, RB, and the O- Line, QB is no different. Going cheap at the most important position is asking for trouble, a season ending injury may put us out of the playoffs, or may give Flynn the opportunity he has been waiting for. A couple game injury at an important time with Flynn holding down the fort may be the difference maker of us getting in or getting home field advantage. Being to only 1 Super Bowl in our history I take the value in the event of something happening. Especially with a QB that runs and takes hits on occation. he could pull a hammy, land wrong, take an extra shot etc, thats in addition to any clean or cheap shots running the ball.
Happypuppy":zo6en385 said:Assuming he wants to be traded, they may well redo his contract to be more cap friendly.
Happypuppy":em26fdmd said:Assuming he wants to be traded, they may well redo his contract to be more cap friendly.
pehawk":2l2q8u47 said:No one believed Flynn was going to Miami. You're doing the same thing you ripped Kiper for in his first mock; assigning a body to fill a perceived void without understanding the totality of the situation. Its not excuses, it's reality.
HawkWow":2qmt7zul said:I won't lose sight of the fact that we are never more than 1 play away from being the Cleveland Browns.
theENGLISHseahawk":2en8l79k said:pehawk":2en8l79k said:No one believed Flynn was going to Miami. You're doing the same thing you ripped Kiper for in his first mock; assigning a body to fill a perceived void without understanding the totality of the situation. Its not excuses, it's reality.
"No one believed Flynn was going to Miami"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Cutting Flynn in 2014 is an option. But 2013? ....... I doubt Jason Cole looked at Flynn's contract before twitting his response.While Seattle has told QB Matt Flynn they are willing to trade him, finding trade partner is problematic because several expect he'll be cut
Unless of course the 2014 dead cap charge is excellerated into 2013 .... which would raise the cap hit from $7.25m to $8 million.$7.25m is Flynn's scheduled cap cost for 2013. $2m of that is the prorated signing bonus cap hit for 2013 which is charged against the cap regardless of Flynn's roster status. The actual 2013 cap saving available thru cutting Flynn out right would be only $5.25m salary - $4m guarantee = $1.25 million savings.
That would get eaten up by a backup's contract. Also, there would be an additional $2 million (pro rated signing bonus) in dead cap money charged against the 2014 cap.