Mariners 2019 season

[sutz]

Mike Leake threw 118 pitches on 6/5 for a complete game win against the 'Stros.

It still happens from time to time. :229031_shrug:

 

[Uncle Si]

Pitchers are pussies these days. They can't last past 7 innings. Pretty sad.

Yeah you just said that

Yeah and I'll say it again. Pussified pitchers. OMG...Don't let them get past 100 pitches...What a crock.

You're not grasping core concept (shocker):

Nothing to do with their "toughness."

 

[Largent80]

Pitchers are pussies these days. They can't last past 7 innings. Pretty sad.

Yeah you just said that

Yeah and I'll say it again. Pussified pitchers. OMG...Don't let them get past 100 pitches...What a crock.

You're not grasping core concept (shocker):

Nothing to do with their "toughness."

Really? you want to elaborate on what is considered tough?...Since you are a lover of a sport where dudes fake injuries regularly?

Pitchers in MLB are pussies these days. They can't get past 6 or 7 innings. Prove me wrong. Soccer BOY

 

[Uncle Si]

Yeah you just said that

Yeah and I'll say it again. Pussified pitchers. OMG...Don't let them get past 100 pitches...What a crock.

You're not grasping core concept (shocker):

Nothing to do with their "toughness."

Really? you want to elaborate on what is considered tough?...Since you are a lover of a sport where dudes fake injuries regularly?

Pitchers in MLB are pussies these days. They can't get past 6 or 7 innings. Prove me wrong. Soccer BOY

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Pitchers are on pitch counts because managers want to increase their effectiveness later in the season and extend their life as a good pitcher.

Read a book.

That's more name calling from you. And it's been noted.

 

[Largent80]

Pitchers have become glorified pussies that can't finish a game. I watched pitchers routinely finish games throughout my time watching the Anaheim Angels as a kid.

Nolan Ryan and Frank Tanana weren't on pussified pitch counts. They DOMINATED for entire games. These "new" pitchers need to be protected because they don't have the athleticism to go 9 innings.

It's sad. but true

 

[Uncle Si]

Ignorance is one thing. Persistence is another. Or you just like saying "pussy" because... I mean I don't know. You're an adult I thought.

 

[sutz]

Watch the National League some day. Pitchers get pulled in the 6th/7th inning all the time. It's called pinch hitting to get some offense out of a position that normally bats at sub .100 avg.

:stirthepot:

 

[LymonHawk]

Pitchers have become glorified pussies that can't finish a game. I watched pitchers routinely finish games throughout my time watching the Anaheim Angels as a kid.

Nolan Ryan and Frank Tanana weren't on pussified pitch counts. They DOMINATED for entire games. These "new" pitchers need to be protected because they don't have the athleticism to go 9 innings.

It's sad. but true

'As a kid'? So you're talking about how things were 50-60 years ago? Psssst....here's a secret L80, the world has moved on from 50yrs ago. Maybe you should to?

 

[Hawk-Lock]

The game changes, as it should. My dad is a baseball historian, he mainly focuses on the early 1900’s. He tells me about how it would be surprising if a guy wouldn’t throw a complete game. He told me some guys would pitch both games in a double header. Baseball has definitely made a shift to the bullpen, just look at the Brewers.

 

[LymonHawk]

The game changes, as it should. My dad is a baseball historian, he mainly focuses on the early 1900’s. He tells me about how it would be surprising if a guy wouldn’t throw a complete game. He told me some guys would pitch both games in a couple header. Baseball has definitely made a shift to the bullpen, just look at the Brewers.

O' yeah?! Well my Dad was at Yankee Stadium when Gehrig made his, "Today I consider myself the luckiest man in the world," speech.

Oh, my Dad also hated Ruth. Thought he was a drunken bully. True.

 

[West TX Hawk]

Encarnacion traded to the Yankees. Per the Sporting News link, it’s reported M’s will eat $30 mil of his remaining deal and receive pitcher prospect Juan Then. More details to follow

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffPassan/s ... gr%5Etweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosentha ... gr%5Etweet

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/new ... gbem3ymzsd

 

[Uncle Si]

Little more clarity:

Encarnacion still owed more than $15M in salary and buyout. Source says #Yankees and #Mariners essentially splitting the money. SEA paid more to get better prospect - pitcher Juan Then, who should move into 15-20 range on SEA top prospects list.

From Divish:

Timeline: M's trade Segura and relievers to Philly for Crawford and Carlos Santana M's trade Santana to Cleveland for Encarnacion and comp pick Ms trade Encarnacion to Yankees for Juan Then So the Mariners have netted Crawford, Then and Isaiah Campbell ... not sure on $$

Juan Then was traded to the Yankees for Rumbelow last year

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Pitchers have become glorified pussies that can't finish a game. I watched pitchers routinely finish games throughout my time watching the Anaheim Angels as a kid.

Nolan Ryan and Frank Tanana weren't on pussified pitch counts. They DOMINATED for entire games. These "new" pitchers need to be protected because they don't have the athleticism to go 9 innings.

It's sad. but true

For every Nolan Ryan and Tom Seaver and Warren Spahn and, and, and....there was a Sandy Koufax who had to retire at 30 at the height of his career so he could still pick up his car keys at age 60 due to arthritis in his pitching elbow or a Dizzy Dean or, or, or....
It IS about the amount of money invested in these guys more than anything. Are there pitchers nowdays that could be like Ryan, Tanana, et. al.? I'm sure there are but it's the choice of the organizations to not find out if there is.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Not sure I like this trade. We got back a guy who we traded away a year ago and still have to pay a huge chunk of EE’s salary.

Sounds like Jerry got fleeced.

 

[DHawk]

I feel like EE was supposed to be moved for a bigger deal before the season but the deal never manifested so this is what they fell back on.

 

[IndyHawk]

I'm trying to wrap my head around paying someones contract so a trade can happen..
It's really millions and millions..It is not just a couple and I'm not getting how you have
the funds..The funny thing is the guy is not done yet..Seager and Gordon will be going.

 

[sutz]

I feel like EE was supposed to be moved for a bigger deal before the season but the deal never manifested so this is what they fell back on.

Pretty much this. We all knew this was coming. That amazing run at the start of the season kind of skewered everybody's expectations, but DiPoto is sticking to the original plan and that's a good thing. I think they'll try to hang onto Seagar, but maybe not. Santana is probably next. Or maybe Gordon. Between Crawford, Beckham, and Moore the middle infield is probably set for the next couple of seasons. Vogie can handle 1st Base if needed, or Healey is coming off the IL soon. That would be a decent platoon there.

We all knew the fire sale was still ongoing. :229031_shrug:

 

[Uncle Si]

I'm trying to wrap my head around paying someones contract so a trade can happen..
It's really millions and millions..It is not just a couple and I'm not getting how you have
the funds..The funny thing is the guy is not done yet..Seager and Gordon will be going.

You're not getting anything for a 36 year old without paying the salary. MLB has changed a bit in that regard.

 

[sutz]

I'm trying to wrap my head around paying someones contract so a trade can happen..
It's really millions and millions..It is not just a couple and I'm not getting how you have
the funds..The funny thing is the guy is not done yet..Seager and Gordon will be going.

You're not getting anything for a 36 year old without paying the salary. MLB has changed a bit in that regard.

It's part of the penalty for bringing those old guys in. Unless they can play out their entire deal, it will cost a team to unload them.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

A season to forget.