Kam deserves more credit

[ivotuk]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SandoNFL/status/1297578840189841408[/tweet]

 

[Rat]

I thought he should have made the All-Decade second team. He had as good a case as anyone after Earl, Berry, and Weddle.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Made this point in the thread about Earl.

Kam had a short playing career. He didn't have that longevity. But his ability to impact the game, getting better in the playoffs, was the equal of any safety ever. I watched Lott and Easely play. Not saying Kam was better, just different. But Kam in his prime was as good as any of them.

He was nicknamed the Deathbacker for goodness sake.

One the greatest Seahawks ever, along with Lynch. And the actual true MVP of our SB win.

Every bit as important as Sherman in the playoff run up to the SB.

They should have a statue of him out there because without him that team never gets the trophy.

We saw what this team looked like without him when he held out.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Kam was the emotional leader. Go listen to atlanta vs seattle playoff game on the field when we were blown out.

 

[rcaido]

Ehh i think most of you guys are forgetting he held out and miss games...Pretty much ruined the players mentality of keeping a contract. He wanted to change his contract, while still having 3 years left. His action pretty much spear headed player vs management. We lost our first 2 games because he did not play.

Sherman, Bennett, & Thomas never did that but they are consider toxic. Then we overpay kam w/ his extension making it difficult to extend Thomas. Kam unfortunately got hurt too which was a double whammy for us. Probably reason why we were so reluctant to resign Sherman. Kam choose not to retire, so we had to continue to pay him until this year.

Despite all that,i still think he should have been the Superbowl MVP. I love him as a player but he had his faults just as much as the "toxic" players.

 

[Mick063]

Kam isn't second team to anybody from his era.

I unapologetically say this with conviction. Berry, Weddle, none of them could come close to disrupting the "box" like Kam did. None could shed pulling guards by overpowering, lifting them off of their feet, like Kam did. Truth.

Hell...Kam was a better linebacker, playing as a safety, than most pure linebackers in the NFL.

The whole purpose of single high safety was to free up Kam to play a hybrid linebacker role and control down/distance by shutting down the run game and put the opponent into predictable passing downs. In other words, Pete Carrol's defensive philosophy is crap without a Kam-like strong safety. Proven out in the years following Kam's departure. Single high doesn't work if the "freed up" safety is run over roughshod in the run game.

Kam was more valuable than anyone else in the LOB. He put the opponents into predictable passing situations. In predictable passing situations, Sherman and Thomas could gamble. Take chances. Freelance. How many times did you see Sherman or Thomas get an interception by leaving their receiver and going underneath to another receiver? Many, many times. That only happens because of predictable passing downs. Caused by Kam.

For Cripes sake. Didn't you see the fear in the eyes of the Denver receivers in the Super Bowl? He set the tone early. He was the mood of the team and the defense were never the same after Kam's departure. Not even close.

 

[ivotuk]

When Kam held out for those first 2 games, Earl was begging him to come back. Thomas said: "I don't know what to do, I depended on Kam for all of that."

I was disappointed in Kam for holding out, those 2 games could have meant a Superbowl that year, but there's no guarantee we would have won them. The team just did not play well. And that's not on Kam.

An NFL player should never base their play on whether or not a certain player is not available.

Besides those 2 games, Kam was here, all the time, and gave the game his all. Something his body paid for. But he was the reason we smoked Denver. Kam set the tone by laying Demaryius Thomas out, and separating his shoulder. After that hit, it was game over.

 

[rcaido]

When Kam held out for those first 2 games, Earl was begging him to come back. Thomas said: "I don't know what to do, I depended on Kam for all of that."

I was disappointed in Kam for holding out, those 2 games could have meant a Superbowl that year, but there's no guarantee we would have won them. The team just did not play well. And that's not on Kam.

An NFL player should never base their play on whether or not a certain player is not available.

Besides those 2 games, Kam was here, all the time, and gave the game his all. Something his body paid for. But he was the reason we smoked Denver. Kam set the tone by laying Demaryius Thomas out, and separating his shoulder. After that hit, it was game over.

Why would that not be on Kam? He chose not to play. Imagine, Wilson not wanting to play after Mahomes contract and want change his pay. The blame would go on Wilson.

 

[Maulbert]

When Kam held out for those first 2 games, Earl was begging him to come back. Thomas said: "I don't know what to do, I depended on Kam for all of that."

I was disappointed in Kam for holding out, those 2 games could have meant a Superbowl that year, but there's no guarantee we would have won them. The team just did not play well. And that's not on Kam.

An NFL player should never base their play on whether or not a certain player is not available.

Besides those 2 games, Kam was here, all the time, and gave the game his all. Something his body paid for. But he was the reason we smoked Denver. Kam set the tone by laying Demaryius Thomas out, and separating his shoulder. After that hit, it was game over.

Why would that not be on Kam? He chose not to play. Imagine, Wilson not wanting to play after Mahomes contract and want change his pay. The blame would go on Wilson.

It's funny, when Kam made a selfish decision, you say "Why is that not on Kam?", yet when Earl makes a selfish decision, it's "It's not his fault, guys." Think about that, especially when Kam's decision didn't jeopardize anyone's safety.

 

[poly1274]

When Kam held out for those first 2 games, Earl was begging him to come back. Thomas said: "I don't know what to do, I depended on Kam for all of that."

I was disappointed in Kam for holding out, those 2 games could have meant a Superbowl that year, but there's no guarantee we would have won them. The team just did not play well. And that's not on Kam.

An NFL player should never base their play on whether or not a certain player is not available.

Besides those 2 games, Kam was here, all the time, and gave the game his all. Something his body paid for. But he was the reason we smoked Denver. Kam set the tone by laying Demaryius Thomas out, and separating his shoulder. After that hit, it was game over.

Why would that not be on Kam? He chose not to play. Imagine, Wilson not wanting to play after Mahomes contract and want change his pay. The blame would go on Wilson.

It's funny, when Kam made a selfish decision, you say "Why is that not on Kam?", yet when Earl makes a selfish decision, it's "It's not his fault, guys." Think about that, especially when Kam's decision didn't jeopardize anyone's safety.

What selfish decision did Earl do? He did holdout for a contract extension, but he played Week 1 against Denver.

 

[Maulbert]

When Kam held out for those first 2 games, Earl was begging him to come back. Thomas said: "I don't know what to do, I depended on Kam for all of that."

I was disappointed in Kam for holding out, those 2 games could have meant a Superbowl that year, but there's no guarantee we would have won them. The team just did not play well. And that's not on Kam.

An NFL player should never base their play on whether or not a certain player is not available.

Besides those 2 games, Kam was here, all the time, and gave the game his all. Something his body paid for. But he was the reason we smoked Denver. Kam set the tone by laying Demaryius Thomas out, and separating his shoulder. After that hit, it was game over.

Why would that not be on Kam? He chose not to play. Imagine, Wilson not wanting to play after Mahomes contract and want change his pay. The blame would go on Wilson.

It's funny, when Kam made a selfish decision, you say "Why is that not on Kam?", yet when Earl makes a selfish decision, it's "It's not his fault, guys." Think about that, especially when Kam's decision didn't jeopardize anyone's safety.

What selfish decision did Earl do? He did holdout for a contract extension, but he played Week 1 against Denver.

Punching your teammate, threatening to kill another? Not to mention his off-field issues that Kam has never had.

 

[xray]

He was Earl's daddy on game-day .

 

[poly1274]

2 Major problems why Kam won't get HOF.

1. DIdn't play many seasons, and missed a lot of games.
2. His stat's are average, Someone that doesn't watch Seahawks football, won't understand why he deserves to be In HOF.

 

[poly1274]

Why would that not be on Kam? He chose not to play. Imagine, Wilson not wanting to play after Mahomes contract and want change his pay. The blame would go on Wilson.

It's funny, when Kam made a selfish decision, you say "Why is that not on Kam?", yet when Earl makes a selfish decision, it's "It's not his fault, guys." Think about that, especially when Kam's decision didn't jeopardize anyone's safety.

What selfish decision did Earl do? He did holdout for a contract extension, but he played Week 1 against Denver.

Punching your teammate, threatening to kill another? Not to mention his off-field issues that Kam has never had.

So what about Sherman? When he told RW you suck ? Or when Sherman fought with one of his teammates?

 

[Maulbert]

It's funny, when Kam made a selfish decision, you say "Why is that not on Kam?", yet when Earl makes a selfish decision, it's "It's not his fault, guys." Think about that, especially when Kam's decision didn't jeopardize anyone's safety.

What selfish decision did Earl do? He did holdout for a contract extension, but he played Week 1 against Denver.

Punching your teammate, threatening to kill another? Not to mention his off-field issues that Kam has never had.

So what about Sherman? When he told RW you suck ? Or when Sherman fought with one of his teammates?

That's a strawman argument. Did I say anything in praise of Sherman to bash Earl? No, I did not. GTFO with that shit.

 

[poly1274]

Why would that not be on Kam? He chose not to play. Imagine, Wilson not wanting to play after Mahomes contract and want change his pay. The blame would go on Wilson.

It's funny, when Kam made a selfish decision, you say "Why is that not on Kam?", yet when Earl makes a selfish decision, it's "It's not his fault, guys." Think about that, especially when Kam's decision didn't jeopardize anyone's safety.

What selfish decision did Earl do? He did holdout for a contract extension, but he played Week 1 against Denver.

Punching your teammate, threatening to kill another? Not to mention his off-field issues that Kam has never had.

Btw who did ET threaten to kill? And what off-field issues did he had in his Seahawk carrer?

 

[poly1274]

What selfish decision did Earl do? He did holdout for a contract extension, but he played Week 1 against Denver.

Punching your teammate, threatening to kill another? Not to mention his off-field issues that Kam has never had.

So what about Sherman? When he told RW you suck ? Or when Sherman fought with one of his teammates?

That's a strawman argument. Did I say anything in praise of Sherman to bash Earl? No, I did not. GTFO with that $h!t.

I went off-topic, Sorry.

What I meant to say is that ET wasn't selfish like how Kam was.

 

[Maulbert]

It's funny, when Kam made a selfish decision, you say "Why is that not on Kam?", yet when Earl makes a selfish decision, it's "It's not his fault, guys." Think about that, especially when Kam's decision didn't jeopardize anyone's safety.

What selfish decision did Earl do? He did holdout for a contract extension, but he played Week 1 against Denver.

Punching your teammate, threatening to kill another? Not to mention his off-field issues that Kam has never had.

Btw who did ET threaten to kill? And what off-field issues did he had in his Seahawk carrer?

Ravens DT Brandon Williams. And as for when he was here, I've generally heard Kam helped keep him in check.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Kam was right to hold out, but whether you agree with his decision or not - it does not have any relevance to how great a player he was on the field.

You cannot argue it makes him any less of a player when he was on the field.

On the field, he tilted it. You could certainly argue that he was the most important player on one of the greatest defenses (certainly in the top 10) in NFL history.

You could also argue that he birthed the LOB, certainly the physical nature and attitude. He was one of the leaders that made it great.

(BTW The Ravens had a LB that might have literally killed someone. Does it make that guy any less of an amazing player? No. That LB is still in the HOF. 'Breaking a contract' is such a petty thing to hold against Kam. I 'break contracts' all the time, so what?)

Anyone that watched football during those years knows who he is.

It is actually hilarious that Weddle gets picked as an all decade guy because when Kam was playing nobody in their right mind picks Weddle for anything over Kam. Weddle was actually pretty underwhelming as safeties go. He got the award for longevity, but he rarely impacted games. Kam impacted damn near every game he started in (but for the holdout year, even after the comeback he was a bit rusty)

 

[AgentDib]

I'm all aboard the Kam train. He was the clear leader of that defense, both on and off the field. Kam and Marshawn were the heart of the team.

It's true that his holdout hurt one season, but contract negotiations should stay between the player and team as long as they are handled professionally. Releasing players early and holdouts are different sides of the same coin and there's no reason to pick sides as fans. Kam played with extreme physicality and his contract was anchored to the strong safety position. It may have looked like he had a big deal relative to the position, but he was a bargain compared to what he actually brought to the team.

IMO there's no comparison between Earl and him. Earl was very quiet and kept to himself, and the few times he didn't it was mostly negative. Earl publicly criticized Kam for the holdout, only to later hold out himself in a much more acrimonious manner. Earl tweeted about retirement after his first injury, criticized Bobby for playing through injury, told Jason Garrett to come get him, refused to get a rod in his leg despite a 50% chance of re-injury, flipped off Pete Carroll after the re-injury, and then doubled down on his criticisms after Pete tried to smooth things over. Since leaving the Hawks he's been nothing but a problem in Baltimore.