Jimmy G

[Cyrus12]

Seahawks fans crack me up sometimes.

The ONLY reason 'hawks fans say Mullens is better is that you've never faced Jimmy and Mullens was the guy who beat you last year. That's it.

Seahawk fans probably thought Alex Smith was better than Kaepernick as well based on W/L track record.

Alex Smith was a better qb than Krapper. He did well for the Chiefs and just had to get out of SF. Krapper just threw bad picks and could only see one read downfield . Krapper helped us win our first SB so I will always be grateful to him for that.

 

[pehawk]

Popeye is a top 5 poster. Great screen name too.

Marvin is 'meh'.

Marvin, remember when I used to explain to you York would blow it up once the stadium was built? You laughed and laughed. Then, well, it happened.

Haha @Marvin

1) I don't remember the conversation (believe it or not I don't keep track of conversations with you as you appear to with me), but as such I won't say it didn't happen.

2) I don't think that's really an accurate representation of what happened. York has spent and is speding far more on coaches right now than he would have had he kept Harbaugh. In fact, at one point he was paying 2 coaches to not coach the team and another to coach. This is and never was about $$$.

Anyone who says otherwise simply isn't paying attention.

I don't really know what really happened with Harbaugh. Nobody but the two of them really do. What I don't doubt though is that York WANTS to win and will spend to do so. Anyone who makes that argument to the contrary isn't up on the facts.

The cheapest thing he could have done was keep Tomsula. After that, it was keeping Kelly. Instead he fired them after two years, had to continue to pay their guaranteed contracts, fired Baalke, and hired Shanahan and Lynch.

You can question Yorks decision making, but saying he blew up the team because he got the stadium is simply ludicrous.

And lets be real....he may have let Harbaugh go (although I'm nit convinced that's exactly how it happened), but a BIG, BIG part of the downfall of the Niners had nothing to do with blowing it up. It had to do with a rash of injuries and MASS retirements, most of which were unexpected. York didn't cut Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman, Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Chris Borland, or Anthony Davis. All of those guys left the team for various reasons and had nothing to do with York.

Now I'm sure you will have something to say about how I'm spinning something but the reality is that you would say that regardless, so who cares. Jed has made some bad decisions, no question, but he isn't close to being their biggest problem and I for one am happy with the present regime.

*clears throat*
*taps on mic*

"Ahem..TL/DR"

XOXO

George Seifert

 

[Marvin49]

Popeye is a top 5 poster. Great screen name too.

Marvin is 'meh'.

Marvin, remember when I used to explain to you York would blow it up once the stadium was built? You laughed and laughed. Then, well, it happened.

Haha @Marvin

1) I don't remember the conversation (believe it or not I don't keep track of conversations with you as you appear to with me), but as such I won't say it didn't happen.

2) I don't think that's really an accurate representation of what happened. York has spent and is speding far more on coaches right now than he would have had he kept Harbaugh. In fact, at one point he was paying 2 coaches to not coach the team and another to coach. This is and never was about $$$.

Anyone who says otherwise simply isn't paying attention.

I don't really know what really happened with Harbaugh. Nobody but the two of them really do. What I don't doubt though is that York WANTS to win and will spend to do so. Anyone who makes that argument to the contrary isn't up on the facts.

The cheapest thing he could have done was keep Tomsula. After that, it was keeping Kelly. Instead he fired them after two years, had to continue to pay their guaranteed contracts, fired Baalke, and hired Shanahan and Lynch.

You can question Yorks decision making, but saying he blew up the team because he got the stadium is simply ludicrous.

And lets be real....he may have let Harbaugh go (although I'm nit convinced that's exactly how it happened), but a BIG, BIG part of the downfall of the Niners had nothing to do with blowing it up. It had to do with a rash of injuries and MASS retirements, most of which were unexpected. York didn't cut Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman, Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Chris Borland, or Anthony Davis. All of those guys left the team for various reasons and had nothing to do with York.

Now I'm sure you will have something to say about how I'm spinning something but the reality is that you would say that regardless, so who cares. Jed has made some bad decisions, no question, but he isn't close to being their biggest problem and I for one am happy with the present regime.

I remember you claiming there was no way Harbaugh would take a “lesser job” (see the Michigan gig).

Then there was the Kraepper to Wilson comps and who was better.

You’ll be happy with the current regime until you are not, remember the Baalke praise.

I don’t mean this in a bad way, but you’re a homer. It’s ok to admit that.

Most of us are homers.

1) Really can't say anything about Harbaugh. I never thought he'd go to Michigan. I was wrong on that one.

2) Kap/Wilson? I don't think I was ever (outside of perhaps VERY early on) advocating Kap being better than Wilson. I think most of my arguments were simply that Kap didn't suck. LOL. I still hold a bit to that BTW. I thin Harbaugh ruined him trying to make him a pocket passer. They never should have tried to make him what he wasn't.

3) I did praise Baalke...as did the NFL when he won executive of the year. He made some very good picks early on (and don't give me the McCloughans board nonsense), and he was very very good at accumulating picks. His issue is that he didn't play nice with coaches (part of why Harbaugh is gone) and that he never turned all those picks into viable replacements for the rash of retired players they had.

4) Happy until I'm not....uh.....I kinda think that describes ALL fandom of any team. LOL.

5) If I'm a homer, so be it. I'm not paid to be objective. I do say what I genuinely think though. I don't start with a desired outcome and work backwards logically. I don't attempt to spin anything even though it at times might appear so.


For the record, some non-homeristic issues I have in SF...

1) I think the Niners interior line is a problem, particularly now with their injuries. A big one. I have no confidence that Jimmy won't get crushed by Suh in week 1.

2) I like Dante Pettis, but I just don't see a ton of effort from him. Some fans criticize him because he has interests outside the game, but my issues with him is that he seems kinda lackadaisical ON the field. So many national media have eyed him as a breakout player this year. I'm not so sure.

3) I like Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd, but one thing I've notices is that WRs in Shanahans system tend to take time to learn and do the right thing at all time. When they don't, really bad stuff happens. When the receivers don't do what they are supposed to do (like say run a quick slant on a blitz hot read or run a pattern at a desired depth to pull a defender away from the intended receiver - both of which happened last year resulting in a pick 6 and another near pick 6 called back on penalty) really bad mistakes happen. Shanahans system is really complex and young players can make really bad decisions.

4) I'm not over the moon about their RBs. There is a ton of speed in the SF backfield and I trust Shanahans on RB decisions, but these guys make me nervous. They are all home run hitters but none of them are guys I'd want to give the ball to on 3rd and short. I actually really liked Penny last year and was disappointed that Seattle selected him. This issue is also compounded by issue #1.

5) While I don't have $$$ concerns with Jed, as I said before, there are some questionable decisions. I like the setup they have now, tho have issues with Lynch, but my fear is York being too quick on the fire button. Firing Tomsula and Kelly after a single season were the right decisions, but he also trusted Baalke to make those hiring choices to begin with.

6) The jury is still out on Lynch as a GM. Early returns on his draft classes haven't been good, although a few of them are looking better than they were. From 2017, Thomas will likely never live up to his draft position. Foster is gone. Witherspoon is struggling. CJ Beathard might not make the team. Kittle is a total stud tho and Taylor looked good before getting hurt again in camp.

in 2018 I wasn't a big fan of moving on from Trent Brown and using a top 10 pick on McGlinchey and I still don't know if it was the best decision, but I do like McGlinchey. I've mentioned Pettis already. Warner looks great in camp, but we'll see if that continues. Moore might actually win the FS job.

So far this years pick look great, but we'll see when live bullets fire.

 

[bevellisthedevil]

The three questions about JGQ haven't changed:

(1) Health
(2) Decision making
(3) Deep ball accuracy outside the numbers

The three promises about JGQ haven't changed:

(1) Quick release
(2) Ability to throw from different platforms with accuracy and velocity.
(3) Good short and intermediate accuracy.


Him throwing a bunch of picks in one practice and a bunch of TDs in another practice does nothing to change any of this.

Does #1 on your list reflect his history of injuries on the field or the concern that he goes on dates with run through porn stars?

 

[Popeyejones]

6) The jury is still out on Lynch as a GM. Early returns on his draft classes haven't been good, although a few of them are looking better than they were. From 2017, Thomas will likely never live up to his draft position. Foster is gone. Witherspoon is struggling. CJ Beathard might not make the team. Kittle is a total stud tho and Taylor looked good before getting hurt again in camp.

IIRC it was Aparicio who I first heard apply this language to the 9ers and John Lynch, but I'm not really concerned about player evaluation (which is flukey as hell for everyone; see John Schneider) as I am about player valuation.

If it was just ludicrously stupid FA contracts we could write it off as them spending it because they've got it (i.e. they'd cut it out once money became an issue), but it's in the draft too.

I've said in the past that Jed York would either grow up into a competent owner or into Daniel Snyder, and although I don't think York has ANY say at all in player acquisition and salary (beyond the family signing off or not on character concerns), the Lynch/Shanahan team has definitely been Snyder-esque in player valuation, IMO.

 

[Marvin49]

Um. Yikes.

It wasn’t just Jimmy as they were giving Bradley Chubb a free pass to the QB, but Jimmy looked real jumpy. Probably a lot of rust as this was the first time since surgery that he was exposed to taking a hit....but wow.

He may have to play a bit more than I thought in week 3. Not what you want.

 

[Cyrus12]

Nick Mullens might be the starter there before too long. Matt Cassel 2.0 doesnt look good

 

[Marvin49]

6) The jury is still out on Lynch as a GM. Early returns on his draft classes haven't been good, although a few of them are looking better than they were. From 2017, Thomas will likely never live up to his draft position. Foster is gone. Witherspoon is struggling. CJ Beathard might not make the team. Kittle is a total stud tho and Taylor looked good before getting hurt again in camp.

IIRC it was Aparicio who I first heard apply this language to the 9ers and John Lynch, but I'm not really concerned about player evaluation (which is flukey as hell for everyone; see John Schneider) as I am about player valuation.

If it was just ludicrously stupid FA contracts we could write it off as them spending it because they've got it (i.e. they'd cut it out once money became an issue), but it's in the draft too.

I've said in the past that Jed York would either grow up into a competent owner or into Daniel Snyder, and although I don't think York has ANY say at all in player acquisition and salary (beyond the family signing off or not on character concerns), the Lynch/Shanahan team has definitely been Snyder-esque in player valuation, IMO.

Ok, I think Lynch is green a bit and I don’t love all of his decisions, but I don’t think the Dan Snyder comparison is even close to fair. Yes, they do spend money in Free Agency, but they also sign them to contracts they can get out of and they need to spend the money from a CBA standpoint anyway.

I also like the free agents they’ve signed.

 

[rlkats]

Nick Mullens might be the starter there before too long. Matt Cassel 2.0 doesnt look good

I'm not against it.

 

[Marvin49]

Nick Mullens might be the starter there before too long. Matt Cassel 2.0 doesnt look good

Highly doubt it.

 

[Cyrus12]

Nick Mullens might be the starter there before too long. Matt Cassel 2.0 doesnt look good

Highly doubt it.

Probably not with how much money they are paying him...someones head would roll very quickly. Guess we will see after a few real games are played

 

[SF49r]

Yeah he looked bad but this Broncos defense might be really damn good this year especially being coached by Vic Fangio now.

 

[Marvin49]

I mean real talk....he looked pretty bad, but the o-line didn't do him any favors. He was pressured by Chubb twice, once untouched, and the interior line let the same guy bat down two separate passes.

He did look a little nervous about getting hit though....which in hindsight is kinda to be expected in first live action post surgery.

Still tho...it was a little alarming.

Deebo looks good though and Solomon Thomas looks good when he plays inside.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[King Dog]

lol

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1163646479082446850[/tweet]

 

[Popeyejones]

The 1st team offense looked collectively putrid last night.

Somebody's stat line on six pass attempts is absolutely meaningless to me.

What is meaningful to me is stuff that I seriously question about him popping up in those six pass attempts.

By this what I mean is that he could have gone six for six with a TD instead of one for six with an INT and I'd still dislike it just as much. For pre-season in particular, outcome means practically nothing and process means everything.

EXAMPLES:

1) If that 50/50 ball with a free rusher in his face went for a TD instead of an INT I'd still hate it. That's a long developing route with a free rusher in the first offensive series of a game on your own 25 yard line. Throw the damn ball over everyone's heads into the sidelines, don't desperately heave up a 50/50 pass on an uncompleted route in that situation.

2) On the second PBU (which just as easily could have been an INT) he needs to look off the curl defender to have room to make that throw, but instead he stares his receiver down which allows the hook to jump the route and make the PBU. The decision making on that route is just putrid too.

3) My issue with the two tipped balls isn't that they were tipped (that's mostly the fault of a 3rd string OG and bad luck) and fell incomplete, it's that he didn't set his feet on two plays in which he had the time and room to throw from a firm base. That's a problem, regardless of if those passes both go for TDs due to coverage breakdowns or get tipped at the line.

That's five of six passes that I have major issues with regardless of the outcome on them (the fifth was a screen, which I don't even really count as a pass attempt to begin with).

It's his first live action in a year, but even if you want to make that argument, the best case scenario on it is that when he's feeling unsettled he falls back on very bad habits. I am NOT one of those 9ers fans (seemingly the majority of them) or Seahawks fans (some of them) who think Mullens should be starting (that's just silly), but the process on those incompletions was very, very bad, regardless of the outcomes.

 

[King Dog]

Take out the papers and the trash.....

 

[Popeyejones]

Deebo looks good though and Solomon Thomas looks good when he plays inside.

Deebo's faster than I thought he was and showed good patience allowing blocks to set up around the back end. It's overstated obviously, but whoever first made the observation that Shanny wants WRs who play like RBs and RBs who play like WRs isn't entirely off base.


Although we're all grading him on a major curve at this point I thought Thomas looked good playing both inside and outside.

Just like last year, Mostert is just a ton of fun to watch.

Tartt played really well, and Moore got his nose in there more than I was expecting (impossible to know what his role was in the passing game w/ the TV angles).

 

[SoulfishHawk]

28 mil a year for a guy with a handful of meaningless starts. Hilarious. I'm not buying the whole "rusty" argument. He looked scared, period.

 

[Popeyejones]

28 mil a year for a guy with a handful of meaningless starts. Hilarious. I'm not buying the whole "rusty" argument. He looked scared, period.

He's the 16th highest paid QB in the NFL this year.

We don't know if he'll end up being better or worse than league average and both are obviously possible, but league average is the salary benchmark for 2019.