I never thought

[hawker84]

Please move if already being discussed.

In my lifetime, I'd see an opposing teams fans come into our sacred hollow and out fan the 12's.

As a life long Hawks fan from day one who had season tickets during the kingdom days, we created an atmosphere like no other in American professional sports that opposing teams had to come into seattle and deal with. And they knew it.

Name one other fanbase that's been penalized for noise? Name another fanbase that's caused more false starts than the 12's? Name another franchise that retired their fans jersey? We didnt create the wave, but we certainly brought popularity to it. We're the reason they started measuring crowd noise. We are responsible for beast quake. Were the reason Lumen Field was designed the way it is. Didn't you love when you heard other fanbases say we pumped in crowd noise? I know I did. I'd just smiled and said, nope that's us. What in the actual hell has happened to this fanbases pride? How dare this new fanbase sh*t all over our traditions and accomplishments and sell off their tickets to opposing fans. You're a part of something special, something very few other fanbases can claim, and you're pissing it away. Why cuz your teams not very good this year? Really?

The announcers last night said seattle might have to go to a silent count. I was like say what? In Lumen Field? I never thought I'd see the day. But I guess what do you expect in this day and age of immediate gratification. The fact that no one is discussing this at length tells you everything you need to know about our fanbase these days.

All I hear is, I'd sell my tickets too, who wants to watch this sh*t show. And....

Gruff sucks. Well ya, It's his first year in the NFL. Give the man a minute to adapt.
Murphy sucks. He's a rookie.
Our defense sucks. No sh*t were in a rebuilding year, most of us knew it would.
Our offense sucks. No sh*t were still playing behind pete Carrolls sh*t OLine. Again, most of us knew it would
walker sucks
Geno sucks
Howell sucks
Dk sucks
Woolen suck
Gruff sucks

Well no sh*t, our trenches are garbage. No one is showing up on the regular besides Williams and maybe Reed. And real fans knows it begins and ends in the trenches. I don't care who you have at skilled positions, if you're QB doesn't get time it doesn't matter. If the opposing QB has all the time in the world, it doesn't matter.

Starting fresh with a new HC and staff will take time to get it where we want. That's just how life works. It took pete 3 years.. In the meantime, we should be supporting this franchise in good and bad times like real fans do, all the while continuing to cherish our traditions and accomplishments, and handing them down to our children. And by no means should we ever be out-faned, in our own flippin house. The house the 12's built. So sorry if this team isn't meeting your expectations, I'm sure there are many seahawks fans that would love to have your season tickets. I know I would. So anybody looking to unload their season tickets DM me, I'd love to take them off your hands and go support my team again like I used to.

This would never happen in GB, Philly, Chicago, Dallas, Pittsburgh. Just saying.

Rant over, I couldn't believe my ears last night watching that game. Unbelievable...

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

The team has gone too long being mediocre. I don't blame season ticket holders for giving up their seats and using that money elsewhere; because the larger problem is the price of tickets keeps climbing while the product on the field isn't matching the value.

I live in Portland, OR. Once every couple of years I'll get up to a game. But man, $200+ for 1 nosebleed ticket, combined with the cost of concessions and the travel with parking... that ends up being close to a $500 trip for me.

What kills the advantage is the number of season ticket holders that have become ticket investors! Its not just the long time fans doing it. Let's say Joe Smith, no relation to Geno, can't afford to keep the season tickets in the family any longer. He gives them up and the Seattle Seahawks Ticketing process hands them to the next person on the waiting list. Lo and behold, the new owners aren't actual fans of the team. They figure the resell rate is worth the investment. They'll sell those seats to anyone willing to pay the price. Next thing you know, home field advantage is gone.

The only thing that will get home field advantage back is a better product on the field. More people will invest in the Seahawks if the fans actually think the team will go further than a "maybe playoff spot" or one and done in the playoffs. We're rebuilding. It's going to be a while before 12s pack the stadium again.

 

[WmHBonney]

Agreed. It was bad. I think that many "fans" aren't really football fans. They're just part of the "me" generation and buy tickets so they can post pics of themselves on social media while being at the game. These folks sell their tickets after going to a couple games and they don't care who the buyers are.

 

[CallMeADawg]

The team has gone too long being mediocre. I don't blame season ticket holders for giving up their seats and using that money elsewhere; because the larger problem is the price of tickets keeps climbing while the product on the field isn't matching the value.

I live in Portland, OR. Once every couple of years I'll get up to a game. But man, $200+ for 1 nosebleed ticket, combined with the cost of concessions and the travel with parking... that ends up being close to a $500 trip for me.

What kills the advantage is the number of season ticket holders that have become ticket investors! Its not just the long time fans doing it. Let's say Joe Smith, no relation to Geno, can't afford to keep the season tickets in the family any longer. He gives them up and the Seattle Seahawks Ticketing process hands them to the next person on the waiting list. Lo and behold, the new owners aren't actual fans of the team. They figure the resell rate is worth the investment. They'll sell those seats to anyone willing to pay the price. Next thing you know, home field advantage is gone.

The only thing that will get home field advantage back is a better product on the field. More people will invest in the Seahawks if the fans actually think the team will go further than a "maybe playoff spot" or one and done in the playoffs. We're rebuilding. It's going to be a while before 12s pack the stadium again.

Yep they have got to have a worthy product on the field. Just look at the Mariners to see what the opposite effect is like in the long run.

 

[hawker84]

The team has gone too long being mediocre. I don't blame season ticket holders for giving up their seats and using that money elsewhere; because the larger problem is the price of tickets keeps climbing while the product on the field isn't matching the value.

I live in Portland, OR. Once every couple of years I'll get up to a game. But man, $200+ for 1 nosebleed ticket, combined with the cost of concessions and the travel with parking... that ends up being close to a $500 trip for me.

What kills the advantage is the number of season ticket holders that have become ticket investors! Its not just the long time fans doing it. Let's say Joe Smith, no relation to Geno, can't afford to keep the season tickets in the family any longer. He gives them up and the Seattle Seahawks Ticketing process hands them to the next person on the waiting list. Lo and behold, the new owners aren't actual fans of the team. They figure the resell rate is worth the investment. They'll sell those seats to anyone willing to pay the price. Next thing you know, home field advantage is gone.

The only thing that will get home field advantage back is a better product on the field. More people will invest in the Seahawks if the fans actually think the team will go further than a "maybe playoff spot" or one and done in the playoffs. We're rebuilding. It's going to be a while before 12s pack the stadium again.

Thank you for proving my point. And please tell me, what fan of another team would invest in seattle season tickets, just so he can catch his team in seattle every 3 or 4 years? That makes sense to you?

 

[hawker84]

Yep they have got to have a worthy product on the field. Just look at the Mariners to see what the opposite effect is like in the long run.

Pathetic mentallity, sorry but it is. Look at Detroit, Cleveland, bears, been dogsh*t for decades, still go out and support their team.

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

Thank you for proving my point. And please tell me, what fan of another team would invest in seattle season tickets, just so he can catch his team in seattle every 3 or 4 years? That makes sense to you?

Most of the investors aren't football fans at all. They just want the deal. For example: If I pay $100 each ticket, but can sell them throughout the year at a profit, that's money in my pocket. It has nothing to do with football at all.

 

[hawker84]

Most of the investors aren't football fans at all. They just want the deal. For example: If I pay $100 each ticket, but can sell them throughout the year at a profit, that's money in my pocket. It has nothing to do with football at all.

Got it. That's why I asked the question, what has happened to this fanbase. This was unthinkable 5 years ago

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

Got it. That's why I asked the question, what has happened to this fanbase. This was unthinkable 5 years ago

Too mediocre... same $hit different season... why would I watch bleh or disappointing football. People voting with their wallets... happens all the time.

 

[hawker84]

Too mediocre... same $hit different season... why would I watch bleh or disappointing football. People voting with their wallets... happens all the time.

Because you're a seahawk fan? And you have pride in that. I don't know, that works for me. Call me old fashioned. I'd prefer the stands empty than having opposing teams fans taking over the place.

 

[JustTheTip]

Pathetic mentallity, sorry but it is. Look at Detroit, Cleveland, bears, been dogsh*t for decades, still go out and support their team.

Seattle sports fans are generally more concerned with sentimentality than the actual sport. This is why hanging on to past prime stars and things like bobble head giveaways work to keep fans paying for a mediocre at best product. In any of those other cities, Pete would have been out in 2016, which would have been a little early, which is also a problem. Somewhere in between is where the sweet spot is, and Paul Allen was perfect at the somewhere in between for a long time.

 

[hawker84]

Seattle sports fans are generally more concerned with sentimentality than the actual sport. This is why hanging on to past prime stars and things like bobble head giveaways work to keep fans paying for a mediocre at best product. In any of those other cities, Pete would have been out in 2016, which would have been a little early, which is also a problem. Somewhere in between is where the sweet spot is, and Paul Allen was perfect at the somewhere in between for a long time.

You grow up a die hard Philly fan, bears fan, packers fan, jets fan, chiefs fan, Broncos fan, browns fan. It's past down through generation after generation after generation. It's in your blood. Regardless of the teams talent, you root for them and get your heart broken year after year, because you're a die hard fan. You don't root for them because it's the fashionable thing to do, the latest thing trending.

I'm a life long seahwks, cougar, mariners, gonzaga fan, sonics fan. Heart break is all I know. But I still rock the gear and I still root for my teams. I cried when we beat denver for our first SB win. Why, because I waited through 30 years of heart brake for that moment.

Sports is life, you lose some you win some. But you live for those moments of what could be. That's what makes a fan fanatical.

 

[JustTheTip]

You grow up a die hard Philly fan, bears fan, packers fan, jets fan, chiefs fan, Broncos fan, browns fan. It's past down through generation after generation after generation. Its in your blood. Regardless of the teams talent, you root for them and get your heart broken year after year, because you're a die hard fan.
I'm a life long seahwks, cougar, mariners, gonzaga fan, sonics fan. Heart break is all I know. But I still rock the gear and I still root for my teams. I cried when we beat denver for our first SB win. Why, because I waited 30 years for that moment.

Sports is life, you lose some you win some. But you live for those moments of what could be. That's what makes fan fanatical.

I was that for multiple decades. Ten years ago I would have watched the whole game last night (I turned it off at halftime). At this point I have better things to do with my time, money and emotional bandwidth than to blindly support what professional sports has become. For now I am still a fan. I don't think I would call myself diehard anymore though.

 

[hawker84]

I was that for multiple decades. Ten years ago I would have watched the whole game last night (I turned it off at halftime). At this point I have better things to do with my time, money and emotional bandwidth than to blindly support what professional sports has become. For now I am still a fan. I don't think I would call myself diehard anymore though.

Fair enough. We all have to process life the best way we see fit. I myself am numb to the heart brake at this point. Just living for those moments.

 

[Cyrus12]

A lot of Seahawk fans showed up in 2013. I'm nowhere near Seattle and once they got popular I saw ppl wearing seahawk merchandise everywhere. It was cool to go to C Link and scream and yell. Once they got not as good those hats seemed to be quickly replaced by Chiefs and Lions hats of late. The BR (before Russ) fans will still always stick with the team because they knew what Seattle football was like before then. It would appear we are LA and LV 2.0 for opposing fan bases. The cost of everything has marginalized the fan base too. It was definitely all GB in the stands last night short of a few plays.

 

[flv2]

Welcome to the 21st century. The object for most franchise owners is to maximise revenue. Fan involvement is a luxury extra. I don't blame fans of any team selling tickets to the highest bidder. If that means they get to attend 6 games and sell 2 games so be it.

 

[SeaWolv]

It was like this before the Super Bowl years when Niners fans would fill the stands once a year. The fudge packers have a big following with all their history so not surprising.

The team is laying a foundation for winning but there's still work to be done in the off season after year one of the McDonald era. Many of us knew there would be moments of excitement and moments of disappointment this season and that has largely played out. We've beaten the lesser teams and struggled against the better ones. Our OLine is improved but still in the lower half of the league. Our defense is also improved as one of the better in the league. Not surprising knowing the strengths of our HC. Geno has been largely good this year but he seems to crumble when games get difficult which is why I've said all along he's good for now until we find our QBotF. We still have other holes to fill on offense and personnel adjustments to make on defense.

Next year is the year where I expect significant strides to be made towards getting the team to contender status. This year was about laying the groundwork and I think that was accomplished. The Hawks could still make the playoffs, they just need to win out. Everything is still in front of them. They can beat the Vikings, they should beat the Bears and then it comes down to winner take all in LA vs the Rams.

 

[evergreen]

We need to divest the wide receivers and invest in the I line. Have lesser receivers and more time to throw.

 

[cymatica]

The only thing that will get home field advantage back is a better product on the field. More people will invest in the Seahawks if the fans actually think the team will go further than a "maybe playoff spot" or one and done in the playoffs. We're rebuilding. It's going to be a while before 12s pack the stadium again.

I think it's mostly about the money. Even if the team is doing great, I can't afford to attend games and most people I know can't anymore either. Everything costs too much right now. Based on the cost of living here, I'm going to guess it's probably much more of a strain on the wallet for the average fan to attend games here than most other cities.

Combine all that with John's bass ackwards approach at team building that basically ensures no playoff run, I can only imagine the amount of regret an average fan would feel after they fork out several hundred dollars to witness that Trainwreck in person.

 

[Rat]

Agreed. It was bad. I think that many "fans" aren't really football fans. They're just part of the "me" generation and buy tickets so they can post pics of themselves on social media while being at the game. These folks sell their tickets after going to a couple games and they don't care who the buyers are.

Or it could have something to do with the fans being priced out by the "I got mine" generation.