Hypothetical QB Scenario

[keasley45]

A 2 time MVP can't read defenses. Lol. I'm sorry, but I think that is very much speculation.

Bro. He didnt get tbise MVP's on the strength of his arm talent and abiloty to diagnose plays. He got them because hes a walking cheatcode when he's on the run.

And theres better than 60% of the Raven's fanbase that knows he stryggles reading defense.

If you watch more than a handful of games you'd see that his 'MVP' worthy runs and scramble passes come after he's prematurely bailed on a play and goes 'full Lamar'.

Using his MVP haul as a defense of his processing ability is ludicrous. Take away his runs and his elusiveness (having zero to do with reading coverage) and he's just another young qb who flashes arm talent.

His struggles reading defense are behind well known and dicumented.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Almost 400 yards of offense last night and he drove them 90 yards down the field with under 2 minutes.
Yeah the haters in this thread are right… lulz

“A poor leader” how in the hell do you get to this lame ass opinion?

Feels like there is something else tilting these takes… I just can’t put my finger on what that could be.

lame.

 

[IndyHawk]

His lack of leadership is just that. Its been talked about by the FO as an area to improve. And its frustrating for a lot of the fanbase. This and his inability to read defense make him the love him ot hate him guy in the area. Its not speculation.

Half my family are Ravens fans. I used to ride my bike to their practice facility in Owings Mills, go to a game every once in a while and if im not talking Seahawks with my dad and Cousins, im talking Redskins, Ravens and Eagles - living in the DC / Baltimore metro is hard for a Hawks fan.

You live by @Maelstrom787 among all these Raven fans.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I mean, overall talent? You pretty much have to go with Lamar Jackson. He's a one-of-one type player. That said, I could see why a team wouldn't want to build around that player because he's one-of-one. But we had success in the past doing something similar, so...

I don't think Lamar played well last night, though, and I understand why that's why this is kind of a conversation. I don't think his offense was efficient and I think he took a step backwards from his play last year.

But I also think he's been thinking about the yards he left on the field when he sort of refused to run during the AFCCG last year and he was way too happy to pull it down tonight. Is that going to continue all season? Or is this an aberration because he was playing the Chiefs? Need more time to see that play out.

I like this question and will take it a little further if allowed....

I feel like LAlexander is a really good quarterback that needs a good team around him to win it all. By "really good team around him" I mean some specific skills in specific areas that build a dynamic offense. I think there are several QBs I, personally, would put in that category.

There has been comparisons in other threads between Geno and PMahomes. Let's, just for the sake of this question, DQ PMahomes and TBrady (since that's bound to come up).

Who would you take over Geno, right now, on this team today, going into week 1?

I'm really curious. To take advantage of WR threats, they need accuracy and field presence. Pocket awareness and some ability to move around is going to be needed as the OLine is still in flux. Sure, wheels would be great. Vision, leadership, maybe price is a factor.... I'm just really curious who would be a preferred option.

So, my question would be: Is this under the same rules as the Jackson question that we started with? No age concerns, no contract issue? Just 'the player that we've most recently seen takes over the Seahawks starting spot'?

Here are the guys I'd definitely take:

• Josh Allen
• Dak Prescott

My maybes and why:

• Kirk Cousins (before his injury, he was one of the best QBs in the league last year... but I have no idea what he's going to be post-injury. If you could guarantee me he's back to what he was to start last year, Cousins would be on the other list)
• Jared Goff (numbers wise, he's had a very good 2 years, but not sure if he actually outplays Geno if we transplanted him to the Seahawks)
• Lamar Jackson (talent wise--better, but our team isn't built for his skill set right now)
• Jordan Love (looked very good last year, but I feel like I need to see him perform at that level for one more season)
• Tua Tagovailoa (he's exceeded playing on time, got the lowest time to throw... but he's more lost than Geno when the play breaks down. I just can't decide if him being a machine with just tossing it on a cadence would do wonders for our offensive line or if he'd feel the extra pressure and spend most of the game lost. A toss up on this one.)

Some of my high-profile 'No's:

• Joe Burrow (He's just too reliant on his receivers getting crazy YAC. I know he was injured for a chunk last year, but the fact that UW legend Jake Browning came in and succeeded in virtually the exact same way as Burrow makes me leery here).
• Justin Herbert (If we were considering age and this was about more than just this season, sure, he's a definite, but Geno's been better the last couple of years, not sure I expect that to change in this one)
• Jalen Hurts (Like Lamar Jackson but not as good. If Jackson is on the border because of his style, then lesser-Jackson is on the outside. We don't have the O-Line this guy needs)
• Trevor Lawrence (Same as Herbert but even more so. Hasn't been as good as Geno, the only thing he has going for him is his age.)
• Brock Purdy (The statistical best QB last year but it's borderline impossible to separate out what's him and what's the rest of his offense. The fact that losing one guy on his O-Line was essentially a guaranteed loss makes me doubt that he could have done anything close to what Geno did with our O-Line last year)
• Aaron Rodgers (one, I can't stand the guy, but two--he's 2 years removed from his last good season, and I have my doubts he's going to be good now.)

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

I mean, overall talent? You pretty much have to go with Lamar Jackson. He's a one-of-one type player. That said, I could see why a team wouldn't want to build around that player because he's one-of-one. But we had success in the past doing something similar, so...

I don't think Lamar played well last night, though, and I understand why that's why this is kind of a conversation. I don't think his offense was efficient and I think he took a step backwards from his play last year.

That 0-line struggled last night which didn't help. Rookies and their o-line coach dying a week or so ago. Week 1 is weird. You seem some weird results due to lack of tape

 

[Torc]

QB's I would take over Geno right now not including Mahomes,,,,

Rodgers, Love, Allen, Stroud, Burrow, Jackson, Stafford, Hurts

Maybe's -
Goff, Prescott, Purdy, Lawrence

Heh. let's look at this, give us something to argue over.

Rodgers - at this point I'd consider him a major injury risk. Maybe you could count on a younger player to come back from a torn Achilles. Not a dude on the wrong side of 40. I'm taking Geno. (I also consider Rodgers highly overrated historically, but I know I'm in the minority there)

Love - one good season doesn't make him a stud. Jury is still out. You could argue for Love I guess, but I'll take Geno.

Allen - you can keep the turnover machine. Highest turnover rate in the league (INTs and fumbles lost) over the past three years. Possibly the most overrated player in the league. I'll take Geno in a hot second.

Stroud - I haven't watched him. Looking at his stats (4100 yards and only 5 interceptions and a full yard per pass higher than Geno?!? wow).....I'd probably take him over Geno, but I'm not familiar with his playing.

Burrow - yeah, I'd probably take Burrow too.

Jackson - I'd take Jackson in Bevell's offense with Lynch at RB in a hot second. Not this one. I'm taking Geno.

Stafford - another injury waiting to happen, but I could see why you'd take him.

Hurts - accounts for more rushing TDs than Geno for sure, but Geno has been a more efficient passer. I'll take Geno.

Goff - would probably do well in this offense, actually. It's a wash to me.

Prescott - seriously? Criticize Geno for sucking in the postseason and Dak is even a consideration? Geno gets an "incomplete" grade for the postseason IMO. Dak is 2-5. I'm taking Geno.

Purdy - hard to argue with Purdy's win percentage. My gut says I'll take Geno on this team and this offense but I admit to homerism.

Lawrence - 1 more TD than Geno last year, 4 more INTs. Another overrated QB IMO. I'll take Geno.

 

[BASF]

Losing Greg Roman to the Chargers will have Jackson taking a step back this season. As pointed out to me upthread, he was actually let go before the 2023 season. So this paragraph is invalid and ill informed.

As far as the question, in our offense with our personnel, I think Geno is a better fit.

This has nothing to do with me being an FSU fan and hating Jackson for what he did to my team while at Louisville either.

 

[seabowl]

I’ll state it again, this in my opinion is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever seen on this site. A two time MVP and having won the MVP last year is without question a better quarterback than Geno Smith who has one absolutely nothing. It’s not that I dislike Smith, but if you ask every NFL player who they would choose, I guarantee virtually every single one would choose Jackson. There is no argument here, folks.

 

[Ad Hawk]

I’ll state it again, this in my opinion is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever seen on this site. A two time MVP and having won the MVP last year is without question a better quarterback than Geno Smith who has one absolutely nothing. It’s not that I dislike Smith, but if you ask every NFL player who they would choose, I guarantee virtually every single one would choose Jackson. There is no argument here, folks.

What a silly take.

Of course there's an argument to be made, that's why people are disagreeing with you.

LJ is a talented athlete and runner; that's worth a lot! He is not the best true pocket QB who can also use his legs of the actual play called breaks down. Many teams would benefit from having him. But if you simply use the MVP status, then would the Chiefs benefit from having him over Mahomes?

 

[chris98251]

I’ll state it again, this in my opinion is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever seen on this site. A two time MVP and having won the MVP last year is without question a better quarterback than Geno Smith who has one absolutely nothing. It’s not that I dislike Smith, but if you ask every NFL player who they would choose, I guarantee virtually every single one would choose Jackson. There is no argument here, folks.

RGIII without the injury is what I look at, he is an anomaly at the moment, they developed a system for him to play in Like Shanahan did for RGIII, if he goes down the team is in trouble, we had the same thing with Wilson. If you don't have a starter capable back up you can be out of it pretty quickly, prefer Geno and Howell or similar situation, you can insert a guy that may have different strengths and weaknesses you can call around, but don't need to rewrite the whole playbook.

 

[seabowl]

What a silly take.

Of course there's an argument to be made, that's why people are disagreeing with you.

LJ is a talented athlete and runner; that's worth a lot! He is not the best true pocket QB who can also use his legs of the actual play called breaks down. Many teams would benefit from having him. But if you simply use the MVP status, then would the Chiefs benefit from having him over Mahomes?

Using your argument, Brady and Manning couldn’t move at all, but were great quarterbacks. What LJ does with his legs and his overall body of work way surpasses that of Geno Smith. I’ll state it again, if you polled every NFL player, it is virtually guaranteed that almost every single one of them would take Lamar Jackson over Geno Smith. Fact! Frankly, I would love to see how many of them would actually laugh at that question because I bet you would be a large amount. I wish the folks on this board would take off the rose colored glasses for this argument.

 

[seabowl]

I actually just checked the NFL’s top 100 players of 2024 rated by the players and Lamar Jackson came in at #2. Guess where Geno Smith came in at?

 

[Seahawks Guy]

You gotta go with Geno. He has been practicing all off-season with this offense, and Grubb likes to throw the ball. Geno is a better passer.

Nothing against Jackson.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

Losing Greg Roman to the Chargers will have Jackson taking a step back this season.

Roman wasn't his OC last season.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

No, but I read an article speculating that we end up signing Dak Prescott. How weird would that be?

 

[pmedic920]

If Lamar doesn’t miss those few passes last night this conversation isn’t happening

We might be a 50/50 split in this forum but there’s no way a group of neutral voters give any more than like a 5% tilt to Geno.

And let’s be honest, we’ve seen Geno miss guys downfield in critical situations too.

I like Geno. But it’s Lamar Jackson. Let’s be real.

Fair but let us at least admit “those few passes last night” were the exact opposite of “clutch”.

Never should have come down to a 1/2 inch of toe on the line.
So, let’s go ahead and “be honest” & “real”.

I’m certainly not championing Geno but let’s face it, the jury is still out.
This season under the new regime may prove that a whole lot more than 5% of neutral voters give the tilt to Geno.

Personally, I have more hope this year than I had the last couple, I believe Geno is 100% serviceable in the right situation, and I’m willing to hold judgment until I see how said situation plays out.

 

[pmedic920]

No, but I read an article speculating that we end up signing Dak Prescott. How weird would that be?

I’d be pissed.
Don’t give AF what anyone has to say.

I call “click bait” on whoever wrote the “article” you read.

 

[Double Tribble]

I'd pass, simply because all it does is kick the qbotf can down the road. Here's a crazy idea: Do whatever it takes to draft a top qbotf. Problem solved for a decade if you choose well. We're making this way more difficult than it needs to be.

 

[Torc]

I’ll state it again, this in my opinion is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever seen on this site. A two time MVP and having won the MVP last year is without question a better quarterback than Geno Smith who has one absolutely nothing. It’s not that I dislike Smith, but if you ask every NFL player who they would choose, I guarantee virtually every single one would choose Jackson. There is no argument here, folks.

MVP is nothing but a popularity contest. It has nothing to do with how well a QB matches up with a particular offense and team. If we replaced Geno with Lamar, we'd have to rebuild the whole offense around his talents, just like Baltimore has done. Lamar is an AMAZING athlete that changes how the game is played when he is in. But for THIS offense on THIS team, Geno is a better fit - he's a better passer, makes quicker decisions, and throws with more touch. I don't think Lamar makes the throw to JSN on the sideline that we saw during Geno's one preseason drive.

If you asked NFL players who they would rather have, they'd answer based on the fact that Lamar is a better athlete than Geno, not based on fit.

 

[CallMeADawg]

I’ll state it again, this in my opinion is one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever seen on this site. A two time MVP and having won the MVP last year is without question a better quarterback than Geno Smith who has one absolutely nothing. It’s not that I dislike Smith, but if you ask every NFL player who they would choose, I guarantee virtually every single one would choose Jackson. There is no argument here, folks.

There's definitely a very valid argument for which of the two would be better on this team, in this offense, and with this personnel.

The answer is Geno. He's a better quarterback, if you're looking at his accuracy throwing the ball. Seattle doesn't need a QB running the ball. We have 3-4 great running backs, receiving threats that can run the ball, etc. We need a highly accurate passer that can run our offense.

Jackson cannot do that.