To be honest, I would have passed on RW coming out of college. I didn't project this success.. not at all. I didn't like Google, either. That's why I put everything in Hawaii real estate....and would have been better off investing in Arian Foster. ; )
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HawkWow":3ctw8x93 said:
I was going to say lets be honest here who really thought RW was going to be the stud that he is? John Schneider and Kearly and that's about it. I bet Pete Carroll had his doubts but trusted his GM.
Oh and maybe John Gruden but only after he met him.
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UK_Seahawk":57mi2n0t said:
I was probably one of the few that did. I know......impressive. Please add my name to the JS and Kearly list. Thanks.
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Let's be real lots of people thought Russell Wilson was/is awesome. So silly that people throw it around that no one liked Russell. Yes he had detractors. But he had lots of people on his bandwagon as well.
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That was a really fun thread to read... some of the guys talking about how he'll be a career backup QB... And you're right. You called it. No doubt about it.ImTheScientist":31alllsf said:
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If you could invest in head coaches (and I'd known that four years ago), I'd have turned my place upside down to find every last spare penny I had and invested in Pete. I should have laid a bet down that he'd win a SB within 5 years. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.
Dtowers":kn7l66ye said:
Who's saying "no one liked Wilson"? Wilson is a very difficult person to NOT like. We said that we didn't predict the success he's having. I liked Wilson and watched him a lot at UW. When we picked him, I said "he'll have to be the best 5'10" QB in NFL history"...and it looks like he just might be.
But to your point, reports suggested there was only 1 other team, Philly, seriously looking at Wilson. But they weren't too serious considering they'd passed him by 3 times. So, those of us that will admit we didn't expect this, weren't exactly alone. Those that did?...even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I sincerely doubt anyone on this forum, including Kearly ( who I have great respect for) knows more about evaluating QBs than the GMs, scouts and coaches of 31 NFL teams. Sometimes luck comes into play, too and sometimes a poster just believes the FO is incapable of making errors. Newbs mostly, which is not the case with Mr. Kearly. Mad props to him for his high regard of Mr. Wilson.
BTW, I would have been more happy with the pick had we not just signed Flynn. I wasn't happy with the pick because I believed Pete was going to use Wilson in some sort of Wildcat thing, with Flynn the main QB. I just felt a 3rd was too high if that was his objective. Now I know better...and trust Pete without reservation.
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Washington supposedly was looking at Wilson as a backup to RGIII.
sc85sis":mvfsme82 said:
Interesting. I'd only heard Philly.
As it is, both teams came away with outstanding QBs in their own right. Had we not drafted Wilson, I have no doubt he would have beaten out Griffin. Not as positive he'd beat out Foles in Philly, though.
If Washington was indeed interested, it's quite plausible Cousins would today be a Hawk and the Skins would be seeking a 1st rd pick for Griffin. LOL.
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HawkWow":2q7cp405 said:
Cousins last start he went 19-49. I'd hardly say he is a for sure thing. Had Wilson gone to Philly they wouldnt have drafted Foles.
No where did I say Cousins was a sure thing and I didn't mean to suggest Philly would have drafted both Foles and Wilson. Perhaps poor wording on my behalf. I was merely trying to rate the class in saying...Wilson beats out Griffin, not sure he would beat out Foles.
Did you actually think I thought Philly would draft both men? They would have had to use their 2nd on one or the other since they were drafted like 5 (?) picks apart, IIRC.
BTW...Are you gauging the career of Cousins based on one performance (with a team that was rolling over and playing dead)? Sounds that way, but I give you more credit that that.
Did you actually think I thought Philly would draft both men? They would have had to use their 2nd on one or the other since they were drafted like 5 (?) picks apart, IIRC.
BTW...Are you gauging the career of Cousins based on one performance (with a team that was rolling over and playing dead)? Sounds that way, but I give you more credit that that.
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I don't know that Russell would have been given the chance to beat out RGIII. There's a decent shot he'd have started at some point last season though, and then all bets would be off.
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I'll say this as respectfully as I can. I understand Kearly knows his stuff and this is not directed at him at all. But, he's not the only fan on .net that knows a thing or two about football. He does put in a lot of time and has written many appreciated and valuable posts for the benefit of the .net community (and perhaps a larger audience, as some have suggested that's a pursuit.) Seems like whenever someone wants to make a blanket statement about who knows what... this is the assumption and default thing to say. It's simply not true. (Again, nothing against Kearly. He most definitely knows his stuff.)UK_Seahawk":xm2wj307 said:
There are others who were very excited to see the potential of Wilson drafted to the Seahawks. I'm certainly not the only one, but I literally jumped for joy (yes, for a 3rd round pick!) and may have even shed a tear when they made that bold move. I was convinced that other than the negativity about his height, he was a starting NFL QB that QB needy teams would very likely regret passing on him. (I even told a friend who is a Browns fan that Wilson should be their guy since they were going to miss out on A. Luck and RGIII - and instead of Weeden - before someone else could get him in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.)
I have watched the draft for as many years as I can remember. When a guy like Gruden identifies a player with off-the-charts leadership, it gets my attention. This was a discussion topic (I think last year) about "who knew" sort of thing. The point is, there are more people than you think that speculated just as much (especially with all the "other than his height" discussion going on leading up to the draft.)
I don't think ANYONE honestly "knows" for certain (unless they are a time-traveler) about any player. There are even high first round busts (sore subject, I know.) Really, it's guys like Schneider and his staff that deserve the credit. It's those that prepared Wilson and got him recognized that deserve credit. Not any of us... including (no offense, Kearly) the mighty .net Kearly. It's nice of you (and others) to compliment Kearly and perhaps you and others mean it that way, but seems like it's done so to the degree of almost completely dismissing any other knowledgeable fans.
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^This is true, even if it did sound a lil bitter towards the end, which i'm sure is just misconstrued on my behalf.
There's a bunch of guys who contribute great stuff. I like Kearly's brutal common sense, but I also appreciate Scottemojo's witty truths, and cover2's draft breakdowns which never seem to get much love. Heck, for all J's Duck homerism he sometimes nails it. He called Kiko Alonso a stud and pro bowler long before anyone else and took some flack for it too. Truth is there's a lot of valuable contributors on here, helluva a lot of hacks too mind (myself included).
P.S That Mack kid's awesome, sorry OP
There's a bunch of guys who contribute great stuff. I like Kearly's brutal common sense, but I also appreciate Scottemojo's witty truths, and cover2's draft breakdowns which never seem to get much love. Heck, for all J's Duck homerism he sometimes nails it. He called Kiko Alonso a stud and pro bowler long before anyone else and took some flack for it too. Truth is there's a lot of valuable contributors on here, helluva a lot of hacks too mind (myself included).
P.S That Mack kid's awesome, sorry OP
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SomersetHawk":21hr3y4n said:
Ok, I edited out the perceived bitter end. Not intended, but I was trying to finish up posting before heading to work. I may have written faster than I could think and it did sound a bit unnecessarily cynical after re-reading it. (Not bitter. Was just trying to make a point, which you understood.) Thanks for the feedback.
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Exactly. To further clarify my point. Naturally, the job would have been handed to Griffin, to avoid a PR nightmare if for no other reason. But once Griffin went down, I suspect he would have had a very hard time getting back on the field. I said it when he came out of Baylor and I'm still saying it...He's just not that good. I didn't even see him worthy of a 1st rd pick (which was ridiculed to no end). F'n Skins.
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People put so much stock in 40 times. I know it gives you an idea of how fast the player is, but right now they are training to run drills and not training to play football. Believe in the tape. He was already a great player before this 40 time, I'm sure he will be top a 5-10 pick.
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McG":2zus7a38 said:
No sh.. man...he was already going to be a high pick so the 40 time only increases his draft stock. Nobody is saying otherwise
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