Has anyone seen this?

[MORGULON]

It's a short I found on the YouTube but it echoes what many were talking about . I'm especially interestedt o hear what one of DK's biggest fans has to say (Soulfish)

Can you afford to keep a guy like this in your program if you're the coaching staff?

 

[warden]

The question is did he ask to use the head set or did he take the head set with out permission. The video does not answer that question. I rewound it many times to see if there was more to it. It wasn’t a aggressive removal of the head set, and he did not seem to be having a tantrum when speaking into it

Too many unknowns for me to make an opinion

 

[MORGULON]

Fair enough , there was another short I found where the guy read his lips and he said something to the effect of " can you call anything past the sticks?"

I'm not saying he ripped it off his head but couple that with him sulking on the bench and it doesn't look good. What ultimately matters is what the coaches think.

 

[BChawkfan]

I thought I heard Grubbs response to DKs rant.
Grubb said"Can you highpoint and grab the pass ,motherf@#%$&"

 

[CouchLogic]

Nothing burger on the sideline, players are heated win/lose. Competition will do that.

 

[TraderGary]

DK is a headcase. Has been from the start. I would argue he's a detriment to this team.

I saw in another thread someone say they would only consider trading DK if a team offered two 1st round picks. I think they would be lucky to get a 2nd rounder.

He's going to demand a big money contract which lessens his value to another team. And it's common knowledge around the league that he can be taken out of his game when an opposing DB gets in his head. Who's going to give up a first rounder for that?

Add in the drops, fumbles, stupid frustration and drive killing penalties, holding penalties, bad and lazy route running, taking plays off, cheap shots on opposing players, and pouting on the sidelines like a child. The binky is very appropriate. He's a child in a man's body.

Another thing that really hurts this team is Geno constantly forcing the ball to him in tight coverage when other receivers are running wide open. Whether that's Geno or the coaching staff, no one really knows except them. But there's no doubt in my mind that at least part of it is them trying to appease him to try to keep him under control, knowing he's going to lose his head and hurt this team even more if they don't. If they don't force the ball to him and give him the targets he feels he deserves, (even though he doesn't), there will be even more frustration penalties and pouting on the sidelines. He's the epitome of a selfish "me first" player and it hurts this team in a big way.

I'm absolutely convinced this would be a better offense without DK on it. Spreading the ball around versus forcing the ball to DK in tight or double coverage will allow for a more cohesive and consistent offense. And the occasional spectacular plays he makes in no way make up for all the negative stuff. Not even close.

He needs to go. He's far from the only problem this team has, but without a doubt, he's one of the problems, possibly a big one. A selfish player with a bad attitude, particularly one that's very vocal like DK, can poison a team & locker room.

Some will argue that he's a leader on this team. Well, a leader doesn't embarrass the entire organization by pouting on the sidelines on national tv. A leader doesn't grab a coach's headset so he can yell at the OC. He's out of control.

If JS extends him and pays him like a WR1, it will be one of their biggest mistakes in a long time.

 

[MORGULON]

DK is a headcase. Has been from the start. I would argue he's a detriment to this team.

I saw in another thread someone say they would only consider trading DK if a team offered two 1st round picks. I think they would be lucky to get a 2nd rounder.

He's going to demand a big money contract which lessens his value to another team. And it's common knowledge around the league that he can be taken out of his game when an opposing DB gets in his head. Who's going to give up a first rounder for that?

Add in the drops, fumbles, stupid frustration and drive killing penalties, holding penalties, bad and lazy route running, taking plays off, cheap shots on opposing players, and pouting on the sidelines like a child. The binky is very appropriate. He's a child in a man's body.

Another thing that really hurts this team is Geno constantly forcing the ball to him in tight coverage when other receivers are running wide open. Whether that's Geno or the coaching staff, no one really knows except them. But there's no doubt in my mind that at least part of it is them trying to appease him to try to keep him under control, knowing he's going to lose his head and hurt this team even more if they don't. If they don't force the ball to him and give him the targets he feels he deserves, (even though he doesn't), there will be even more frustration penalties and pouting on the sidelines. He's the epitome of a selfish "me first" player and it hurts this team in a big way.

I'm absolutely convinced this would be a better offense without DK on it. Spreading the ball around versus forcing the ball to DK in tight or double coverage will allow for a more cohesive and consistent offense. And the occasional spectacular plays he makes in no way make up for all the negative stuff. Not even close.

He needs to go. He's far from the only problem this team has, but without a doubt, he's one of the problems, possibly a big one. A selfish player with a bad attitude, particularly one that's very vocal like DK, can poison a team & locker room.

Some will argue that he's a leader on this team. Well, a leader doesn't embarrass the entire organization by pouting on the sidelines on national tv. A leader doesn't grab a coach's headset so he can yell at the OC. He's out of control.

If JS extends him and pays him like a WR1, it will be one of their biggest mistakes in a long time.

Dang . That's a helluva post and my thoughts exactly. I can't write like you . My brain goes a million miles per hour .

I think his size, speed , and the occasional big play kind of enchant the 12s. I understand.
I think people like the "idea" of a DK Metcalf. Rarely do we see what we're hoping for . The negatives outweigh the positive in my opinion.

 

[bileever]

I love DK. I think he's a great asset for any team. But the question is whether he's an elite receiver that should get elite receiver money. I think that's a tough question. And paying a receiver $30 million a year will put a big dent into your salary cap.

Justin Jefferson is getting $35 million a year, and CD Lamb is getting $34 million a year. Clearly, DK does not perform at that level. But the problem is that someone like Brandon Aiyuk also gets $30 million a year. DK's agent will certainly argue that DK is at a similar level to Aiyuk. But Aiyuk, in my opinion, is overpaid, as is Jaylen Waddle ($28.3 million) and DJ Moore ($27.5 million).

When you see what Andy Reid does with journeymen receivers in Kansas City, or what the Packers are doing with their receivers, it makes you wonder if it's worth it to pay $30 million a year for even a great receiver. Unlike offensive linemen, WR is the one position where the colleges seem to produce some pretty good ones every year.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

I think people like the "idea" of a DK Metcalf. Rarely do we see what we're hoping for . The negatives outweigh the positive in my opinion.

 

[Aircrew]

Dang . That's a helluva post and my thoughts exactly. I can't write like you . My brain goes a million miles per hour .

I think his size, speed , and the occasional big play kind of enchant the 12s. I understand.
I think people like the "idea" of a DK Metcalf. Rarely do we see what we're hoping for . The negatives outweigh the positive in my opinion.

Boom. I'd trade him while he's still under contract, get as much as you can and look forward to the draft. I have a feeling he's going to force his way out anyway by either demanding too much in his next contract or just play it out and hit the open market. Have the oysters to trade him while his value is still high and build for the future. If he's acting like this at 3-3, just wait until we're well under .500.

 

[AROS]

The one thing about DK I think we can all appreciate is he wants to win, and win badly. He does care about his teammates but lacks the emotional maturity not to become a detriment at times, like we saw last Thursday night. I don't mind the fire as long as it doesn't consume you. It consumes him sometimes which hurts the team.

I have no clue why, but it is blatantly obvious that Geno is forcing the ball to DK when other receivers are open. Why is that?

How much of this is on-script with Grubb versus Geno making decisions on the fly based on what he is seeing after the snap?

We vacillate between loving DK's fire and passion when wins are pilling up, but as soon as shit gets real and the L's start to show, we call him out for being an insufferable pain in the rear.

We can't have it both ways.

Or maybe we can, and we just live with this side of DK when things aren't always hunky-dory.

As they say, wins cure all.

More W's and less L's and this isn't a thread.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Get rid of him and put Bobo in his place and let's start winning games dammit.

Bobo for President

 

[knownone]

It's just another example of Pete Carroll's culture of never holding players accountable. Oh, wait—wrong year.

On a serious note, I don't have any issue with the action. Like Aros said, it's clear he cares about winning. He just looks like an idiot because his performance is a bit erratic. That said, he's fourth in receiving yards, and he would be even higher if K-Walker set his damn feet.

 

[TraderGary]

It's just another example of Pete Carroll's culture of never holding players accountable. Oh, wait—wrong year.

On a serious note, I don't have any issue with the action. Like Aros said, it's clear he cares about winning. He just looks like an idiot because his performance is a bit erratic. That said, he's fourth in receiving yards, and he would be even higher if K-Walker set his damn feet.

He's fourth in receiving yards because as Aros and others have said, Geno is consistently force-feeding him even when he's well covered, despite the fact that he rarely makes catches when he's blanketed. But they keep forcing the ball to him regardless. Why is that? Well I believe it's to keep him somewhat under control because if they're not giving him the targets he feels he deserves, he will go even more psycho than he's already shown.

He's a head case, and I firmly believe the team would be better without him for reasons I outlined in my earlier post in this thread. Addition by subtraction.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

I’m pretty the coaches and JS is well aware of this issue right now.

Probably more so than we were even when Seattle was 3-0.

I would imagine, they are willing to move DK when they determine the time is right.

I personally think JS on short notice right now. He either fixes everything in two or three years (by 2027 at least) or JS will be gone by the end of the 2027 season.

We’ll see what happens as the season progresses.

 

[knownone]

He's fourth in receiving yards because as Aros and others have said, Geno is consistently force-feeding him even when he's well covered, despite the fact that he rarely makes catches when he's blanketed. But they keep forcing the ball to him regardless. Why is that? Well I believe it's to keep him somewhat under control because if they're not giving him the targets he feels he deserves, he will go even more psycho than he's already shown.

He's a head case, and I firmly believe the team would be better without him for reasons I outlined in my earlier post in this thread. Addition by subtraction.

Sure. But it's worth noting that his targets-to-catch rate aligns with the other top receivers in the rankings. He's not as efficient as the elite guys like Jamar Chase, but he's close.

I'm mixed on DK. I was in the minority who didn't want to give him a big contract in 2022 for the reasons you mentioned. However, that was before Grubb, and as much of a headcase as Metcalf is, Grubb seems to have unlocked his big-play potential.

 

[CouchLogic]

On the forcing the ball subject, isn't that what most of us want/would do. How many times have I read, "If it's 50/50, jump ball, send it to DK."..."Use that big frame and speed."..etc. Not sure why it's an issue now? He's not getting the receptions, sure, but making the catches had a 50% chance (more than likely less) to begin with.

I couldn't care less about his targets, just an interesting observation.

I'm also 50/50 on trading him, I'd need a decent haul if the season is underway already. That'd be taking an L on a handful of games.

 

[LTH]

It's a short I found on the YouTube but it echoes what many were talking about . I'm especially interestedt o hear what one of DK's biggest fans has to say (Soulfish)

Can you afford to keep a guy like this in your program if you're the coaching staff?

I knew this was just a matter of time now let's see how Grubb and Mac deal with it.

LTH

 

[Madrid Hawk]

Someone on the GameDay thread said it best, "He's athletic, but he's not physical."

I wish I could remember who said it and give proper credit. Sums up DK perfectly for me.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

DK is a headcase. Has been from the start. I would argue he's a detriment to this team.

I saw in another thread someone say they would only consider trading DK if a team offered two 1st round picks. I think they would be lucky to get a 2nd rounder.

He's going to demand a big money contract which lessens his value to another team. And it's common knowledge around the league that he can be taken out of his game when an opposing DB gets in his head. Who's going to give up a first rounder for that?

Add in the drops, fumbles, stupid frustration and drive killing penalties, holding penalties, bad and lazy route running, taking plays off, cheap shots on opposing players, and pouting on the sidelines like a child. The binky is very appropriate. He's a child in a man's body.

Another thing that really hurts this team is Geno constantly forcing the ball to him in tight coverage when other receivers are running wide open. Whether that's Geno or the coaching staff, no one really knows except them. But there's no doubt in my mind that at least part of it is them trying to appease him to try to keep him under control, knowing he's going to lose his head and hurt this team even more if they don't. If they don't force the ball to him and give him the targets he feels he deserves, (even though he doesn't), there will be even more frustration penalties and pouting on the sidelines. He's the epitome of a selfish "me first" player and it hurts this team in a big way.

I'm absolutely convinced this would be a better offense without DK on it. Spreading the ball around versus forcing the ball to DK in tight or double coverage will allow for a more cohesive and consistent offense. And the occasional spectacular plays he makes in no way make up for all the negative stuff. Not even close.

He needs to go. He's far from the only problem this team has, but without a doubt, he's one of the problems, possibly a big one. A selfish player with a bad attitude, particularly one that's very vocal like DK, can poison a team & locker room.

Some will argue that he's a leader on this team. Well, a leader doesn't embarrass the entire organization by pouting on the sidelines on national tv. A leader doesn't grab a coach's headset so he can yell at the OC. He's out of control.

If JS extends him and pays him like a WR1, it will be one of their biggest mistakes in a long time.

This is all silly.

First of all, DK's 11 targets in this game compare to Smith-Njigba's 9, Lockett and Walker's 8, Fant's 6, and 6 others to 4 other players, so the ball is being spread around just fine. A game of 52 passing attempts was not the best time for you to make this argument.

Second, it's well into "tell me you've never watched another team without telling me" territory if you think DK is a detriment. What a detriment looks like is well-trodden territory and this is far more mild.

Third, you're talking about someone who had three straight 100-yard games this year and a history of tough, contested catches in previous seasons, regardless of what anyone's selective memory is telling them right now. Go watch his reels from his first two years. You'll remember. He isn't getting the ball to keep him quiet, he's getting the ball because Geno knows what he can do. He would know.

Finally, yeah, he's not going to get the pay he wants, but that's because of the runaway nature of contracts. NOBODY is getting paid what they want.

I dunno, righteous absolutist condemnations lofted from on high tend to turn me off. Scapegoat mentality up to 11 this week.