Geno gets paid today ....

[olyfan63]

So you're saying it was John's call to cut our entire LB core mid season? Would he (John) be the one to make that evaluation and recommendation? Or would that come on behalf of the head coach and his staff? If it came at the recommendation of the head coach, I'd say he has a little more influence than "no say". In turn, he could make the same recommendation to John to move on from Geno, if that is case.

I'd expect the relationship between JS and MikeMac to be very trusting and cordial. JS was used to Pete telling him what to do, and having the final say. In this case, it's MikeMac *asking for* certain things, and JS probably tries to be a good listener, then discusses team fit, cap impact, long-term strategy, etc. JS made the LB swap-out happen, per Mike's request, and the great results probably increased their trust and collaboration level for future personnel and draft moves.

I'd expect that Mike and John have some sort of ongoing collaborative planning board, of player needs, acquisition strategy (draft, Free agency, player development, etc.) and potentially available options that guides their process.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Just to clarify, Geno's bonus was based on having a 69.8% completion percentage, 4,282 passing yards, and 10 wins.

He literally earned more than 90% of that bonus before kickoff.

Yup. It also incentivizes him to not take risky throws down field to push the ball. Geno isn't accurate when it counts (red zone).

His total yard incentive also leads to him audibling out of run plays.

I want to understand why Schneider would structure the contract this way. Most QBs have incentives based on wins, # of starts, etc. it seems very foolish

This is all terribly inaccurate.

One, he has incentives tied to both completions, yardage, passer rating and TDs. He can get yardage and TDs by pushing the ball down the field, so he could earn twice as much money by 'pushing the ball' as he could by 'not taking risky throws'. This year, Geno has only been slightly below average in deep throw percent. Last year, with the exact same incentives, he was top 10 in deep throw percent.

There is no evidence whatsoever that his total yard incentive leads to him audibling out of running plays. Geno makes normal checks at the LOS. Ryan Grubb's system was checks heavy, so we did it more than other teams, but it wasn't Geno just willy-nilly changing the play to try and get incentives. (BTW, increasing the number of passing plays to get 'yards' would increase his chances of missing his completion percentage incentive).

Finally, to address the question you originally responded to (inaccurately): Geno is middle of the road in terms of sacks-to-pressure ratio, he's middle of the road in Time-To-Throw.... this despite the fact that our offensive line is bottom of the barrel in terms of time-to-pressure. He's not taking sacks to avoid incompletions, he's getting sacked about the normal amount of what you'd expect if he had a middle of the road offensive line. He's probably avoiding them slightly better than you should expect with our line.


The reason Schneider would structure this contract this way is pretty obvious: As noted, Geno has a pretty good value for dollar contract (given how massively overpaid QBs are). By tying a potential $15 million bonus a year to a bunch of escalators that are generally pretty hard to hit (the Yards and Comp. % numbers are both franchise records, so passing those obviously isn't normal), we could sell the total value potential to Geno's agent but take a smaller hit on our books in general (Geno hit literally none of these incentives in 2023).

 

[Jville]

Just to clarify, Geno's bonus was based on having a 69.8% completion percentage, 4,282 passing yards, and 10 wins.

He literally earned more than 90% of that bonus before kickoff.



This is all terribly inaccurate.

One, he has incentives tied to both completions, yardage, passer rating and TDs. He can get yardage and TDs by pushing the ball down the field, so he could earn twice as much money by 'pushing the ball' as he could by 'not taking risky throws'. This year, Geno has only been slightly below average in deep throw percent. Last year, with the exact same incentives, he was top 10 in deep throw percent.

There is no evidence whatsoever that his total yard incentive leads to him audibling out of running plays. Geno makes normal checks at the LOS. Ryan Grubb's system was checks heavy, so we did it more than other teams, but it wasn't Geno just willy-nilly changing the play to try and get incentives. (BTW, increasing the number of passing plays to get 'yards' would increase his chances of missing his completion percentage incentive).

Finally, to address the question you originally responded to (inaccurately): Geno is middle of the road in terms of sacks-to-pressure ratio, he's middle of the road in Time-To-Throw.... this despite the fact that our offensive line is bottom of the barrel in terms of time-to-pressure. He's not taking sacks to avoid incompletions, he's getting sacked about the normal amount of what you'd expect if he had a middle of the road offensive line. He's probably avoiding them slightly better than you should expect with our line.


The reason Schneider would structure this contract this way is pretty obvious: As noted, Geno has a pretty good value for dollar contract (given how massively overpaid QBs are). By tying a potential $15 million bonus a year to a bunch of escalators that are generally pretty hard to hit (the Yards and Comp. % numbers are both franchise records, so passing those obviously isn't normal), we could sell the total value potential to Geno's agent but take a smaller hit on our books in general (Geno hit literally none of these incentives in 2023).

I like reading a well thought out rebuttal.

It adds a lot to the forum.