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[warden]

I don’t get all the excuses people are coming up with for John Schneider inability to put together a solid offensive line.

Fact, the Seahawks spend less money on the OL then all most all the other teams. We spent the second least last year and have been in the bottom five the last five years. Some teams have almost as much money in one lineman as we have combined. Other than left tackle, we don’t use a high pick on the line. We do not invest into the line.

The problem is Schneider’ s philosophy towards building a line. Interior offensive lineman are overrated. No they are not John. This philosophy is why we suck on the line. This has been going on for years and I fear it will continue next year too

Let’s run the ball on first down, gain one yard consistently. Let’s run the ball on second down get another one yard consistently third and long, can’t protect the QB three and out has become the norm.

Oh wait let’s blame the QB, OC, RB for our shortcomings.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Who is making excuses? This O Line has been an issue for a decade.
Fries had a nice contract offer right in front of him, he wasn't man enough to come get a physical. Well, F him then.

 

[Rat]

Were we willing to go five years for Fries? If not, the Minnesota offer was better regardless.

 

[glenwo2]

The best free agents are available at the beginning of free agency, that is a moot point since there are roster shakeups all year long. Doesn't mean you can't get good players in June or later when someone who was on the roster now has to be a cap casualty. I get that FA is left with less desirable pieces but it's far from done.

Fries wasn't an option so people need to stop saying he was. JS went after him but for that kind of money he wanted him in for a visit as he should have. Reports are JS was willing to offer but wanted his medicals checked out. Minnesota passed on the medical part and Fries wasn't willing to wait. There's not even a timetable for when Fries will even be able to play. How do you know he didn't go after Zeitler? You only hear about the people that come in for a visit because that's all that has to be reported officially. The NFL is like an iceberg. You only hear about the part of the iceberg above the water. The vast majority of what goes on is the part of the iceberg below the water. Very few conversations get leaked and made public.

I don't understand where this whole "track record" thing is coming from. It's honestly a bunch of BS. When we drafted Devon Witherspoon at 5 2 years ago the talking point was JS doesn't haven't a history of taking a CB high, or in the 1st round. JS got here beginning of 2010. We have selected 12 players in the 1st since then, sometimes we traded out, a couple times we had multiple 1st rounders but we have had 12 1st round picks since he walked in the building. 4 of those 12 players have been O line, Okung 2010, Carpenter 2011, Ifedi 2016 and Cross 2022. That's 1/3rd of our 1st round picks have gone to the O line. I am seeing a track record of they do address offensive line as early as the 1st.

Reports are JS was willing to offer but wanted his medicals checked out. Minnesota passed on the medical part and Fries wasn't willing to wait.

AND THIS right here is a Red Flag for Fries.

 

[glenwo2]

Go Hawks?

I just realized you're from Sammamish.

And we have a SAM at QB now?


IT'S A SIGN!!!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's a sign that this dork in Sammamish is happy we have Sam instead of Geno..........very happy.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I don’t get all the excuses people are coming up with for John Schneider inability to put together a solid offensive line.

Fact, the Seahawks spend less money on the OL then all most all the other teams. We spent the second least last year and have been in the bottom five the last five years. Some teams have almost as much money in one lineman as we have combined. Other than left tackle, we don’t use a high pick on the line. We do not invest into the line.

The problem is Schneider’ s philosophy towards building a line. Interior offensive lineman are overrated. No they are not John. This philosophy is why we suck on the line. This has been going on for years and I fear it will continue next year too

Let’s run the ball on first down, gain one yard consistently. Let’s run the ball on second down get another one yard consistently third and long, can’t protect the QB three and out has become the norm.

Oh wait let’s blame the QB, OC, RB for our shortcomings.

Again, this is far from unique to JS. Yeah he has the "cheapest O line" but that's a lot of young players on rookie contracts with a lot of draft capital spent on O line. Should there be a high priced veteran in there so it's not the cheapest? Just by paying Cross and possibly Lucas next year we won't be at the bottom, so what's your point?

The fact is, the O line takes time to develop. They need consistency, something they haven't had the last 2 years, but I suppose injuries are JS's fault too? Both tackles were looking like foundational pieces, still could. Again, like most years there wasn't an upgrade out there on the FA market except an injured player who had 4 good games, has no timetable to return and got overpaid and didn't want to wait for a physical. But JS should have overpaid even more for a guy who clearly got overpaid? Now the sky is falling.

Most O lineman take years to be any good, there's literally only handful. Making excuses for JS and understanding reality are two separate things. I've stated he has his flaws, he's still better than most GM's out there. Players develop, better coaching staffs can get more from their players and scheme better. The only offensive lineman I see he's missed on that's currently on the roster was Bradford. Players will get better, players will still continue to be drafted. Everyone is frustrated by it not coming together as quick as EVERYONE would like is frustrating but bringing up it sucks every post is absolutely useless. All you hear is it sucks, JS sucks, it will never get better because it can't is so extremely exhausting and counterproductive. I know most of you don't watch tape or understand what you're seeing but there's reasons for optimism.

 

[chris98251]

Really hard to develop guys when you are doing Musical Chairs at OC and O line Coaches with a QB who runs off script as well for many of them, best O lines as stated are those who have a consistent system and cohesiveness with the unit. I have a hard time remembering when we had that going all the way back to the Holmgren years when it was the same except RT year in and year out.

 

[James in PA]

Four pages and counting. This poor guy is gonna be public enemy number two (just behind Schneider) if he gets signed.

 

[jammerhawk]

The John supporters need to stop defending the indefensible. No one is saying he hasn't done good things. We're talking about the offensive line. It's clearly his Achilles heal. He's complete ass at assembling a decent unit. Until he finally does so, criticizing him is justified.

Believe me I believe criticism of JS is justified, in the end though it needs to be fair.

 

[Rat]

Four pages and counting. This poor guy is gonna be public enemy number two (just behind Schneider) if he gets signed.

He comes from a quality program that I have suspicions we'll be dipping into this draft and the Titans are trash anyway. I'm not necessarily against signing him as long as it's with the thought that he's not being depended on for anything aside from depth. This potential signing should have no chain effect where suddenly we're doing something different later than whatever is currently planned; no "now that we have this guy with a disturbing penalty history, we can focus elsewhere on day 1 of the draft."

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[SeaWolv]

Keep moving that goal post. You can nitpick all you want to fit your narrative but that's not what was stated. He said track record. That suggests in its entirety, that's how you make a "track record."

Who's moving the goal post?? This discussion is about JS and his track record for drafting and trading for OLine. It's not good. The Seahawks OLine has ranked in the bottom quartile of the NFL for 7 of the last 10 years and the bottom half 9 of the last 10. Rat was right on point.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Who's moving the goal post?? This discussion is about JS and his track record for drafting and trading for OLine. It's not good. The Seahawks OLine has ranked in the bottom quartile of the NFL for 7 of the last 10 years and the bottom half 9 of the last 10. Rat was right on point.

Except he’s not right on point. I responded to your post as is and someone else moved the goal post to fit his narrative. You didn’t do it, but it’s there.

 

[Rat]

Yeah, I moved the goal posts from his track record to his track record.

 

[SeaWolv]

The best free agents are available at the beginning of free agency, that is a moot point since there are roster shakeups all year long. Doesn't mean you can't get good players in June or later when someone who was on the roster now has to be a cap casualty. I get that FA is left with less desirable pieces but it's far from done.

Per Spotrac all the FA OLinemen appear signed:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/ol
Not sure who you think is gonna be available later.

Wsumatt1982: Fries wasn't an option so people need to stop saying he was. JS went after him but for that kind of money he wanted him in for a visit as he should have. Reports are JS was willing to offer but wanted his medicals checked out. Minnesota passed on the medical part and Fries wasn't willing to wait. There's not even a timetable for when Fries will even be able to play. How do you know he didn't go after Zeitler? You only hear about the people that come in for a visit because that's all that has to be reported officially. The NFL is like an iceberg. You only hear about the part of the iceberg above the water. The vast majority of what goes on is the part of the iceberg below the water. Very few conversations get leaked and made public.

How do you know Fries wasn't an option? Because John said he wouldn't come in for a physical? Maybe the Vikings initial offer made coming to Seattle moot. You honestly think the Vikings didn't make his deal contingent on him passing a physical?? I don't know the details nor do you. We do know one thing and that is that Fries and Zeitler never came to Seattle. If the initial offer was attractive enough they would have.

I don't understand where this whole "track record" thing is coming from. It's honestly a bunch of BS. When we drafted Devon Witherspoon at 5 2 years ago the talking point was JS doesn't haven't a history of taking a CB high, or in the 1st round. JS got here beginning of 2010. We have selected 12 players in the 1st since then, sometimes we traded out, a couple times we had multiple 1st rounders but we have had 12 1st round picks since he walked in the building. 4 of those 12 players have been O line, Okung 2010, Carpenter 2011, Ifedi 2016 and Cross 2022. That's 1/3rd of our 1st round picks have gone to the O line. I am seeing a track record of they do address offensive line as early as the 1st.

For the last 10 years JS has assembled an offensive line that has consistently ranked as one of the worst in the NFL. Whether we're talking FA acquisitions or the draft he has a track record of not being good at it. 10 years. If he had it before, he's clearly lost it now.

 

[SeaWolv]

Yeah, I moved the goal posts from his track record to his track record.

Starting to think you might be all right for a Buckeye.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

How do you know Fries wasn't an option? Because John said he wouldn't come in for a physical? Maybe the Vikings initial offer made coming to Seattle moot. You honestly think the Vikings didn't make his deal contingent on him passing a physical?? I don't know the details nor do you. We do know one thing and that is that Fries and Zeitler never came to Seattle. If the initial offer was attractive enough they would have.

Keep living in your little fantasy land and ignore all the reports by reputable sources, Schefter, Condotta, Henderson, etc. If you took a few minutes of your time and did some research you would at the very least not make such stupid claims. And then to double and triple down on them is exhausting. All you need to know is out there for you go find yourself should you so choose.

 

[Rat]

Was it Schefter, Condotta, etc reporting the Will Fries physical thing? That story seems scant on details, and I havnt seen it corroborated anywhere. Has it been confirmed that we informed him that we would match Minnesota's offer, years and money, pending a physical?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Rappaport, NFL Network and 710 ESPN all reported it. He refused to come to Seattle. Couldn't wait one damn day.
Same per year, but Minnesota offered 5 years to our 3.