Forget About Drafting Bryce Young

[RockinHawks]

Van Dyke didn't look great yesterday... if he doesn't fully step into his throws, he misses a lot. His arm isn't great...he looks a little like Mac Jones light to me. Not a fan. Tanner McKee from Stanford looks really good, great feet, wonderful accuracy. I'm still on the Levis bandwagon...but I also really like Jaron Hall at BYU. I wonder if Hooker from Tennessee will start jumping up the boards.

 

[Rosco]

By comparison, Drew Brees is also 6-0 but weighed 209. So he needs to add a few pounds to take the hits. For me, it’s not a deal killer but is a concern.

Not a good comparison at all. 194 lbs is his listed weight which means he probably weighs considerably less. There’s a reason Kyler Murray plays like shit the second half of the season. He’s too small to handle the hits by 300 lb linemen .

 

[Bear-Hawk]

"He plays quarterback like a point guard in basketball" - Nick Saban

These are 2 different sports and two different positions.

Please explain.

Point guard makes brilliant pass and gets the assist.

Quarterback makes the brilliant pass and gets the TD.

I think that’s the analogy.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Not a good comparison at all. 194 lbs is his listed weight which means he probably weighs considerably less. There’s a reason Kyler Murray plays like shit the second half of the season. He’s too small to handle the hits by 300 lb linemen .

Whatever he weighs, I don’t know why we should make the assumption that he can’t add weight.

Check this...

Scouting Bryce Young: Alabama quarterback similar to a young Drew Brees

Young plays more like Drew Brees than Kyler Murray. That will help him avoid injury.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Fact: Short QBs need to roll out or create passing lanes because they can't see over the linemen.

 

[Broncos_Fan]

NFL QB prospects are the hardest evaluation in all of sports. Here's a prime example of 2 QB's who were basically clones in college:

QB 1-
56.2 completion %
7.8 Yards per average throw
137.7 career college rating

QB 2-
56.9 completion %
7.9 Yards per average throw
138.8 career college rating

Both had big arms and great work ethics
QB 1 played in the Mountain West Conference
QB 2 played in the SEC against much tougher competition

In the end, there are so many factors in the NFL that affect development. Commitment, processing speed, coaching, team situation, etc.

High draft picks are great, but they don't guarantee success at QB. The Seahawks are going to need some luck in the process as well.











QB 1- Josh Allen
QB 2- Drew Lock

 

[Recon_Hawk]

"He plays quarterback like a point guard in basketball" - Nick Saban

These are 2 different sports and two different positions.

Please explain.

That would have been a great follow up question to Saban because I think each coaches would have their own way to explain the comparison. I never made it past high-school level of sports but I played multiple sports growing up and I always thought there was overlap in skill or mindset through different sports.

QB and PG are two close ones because they run the offense in their respective sports. They usually touch the ball first each play and make the calls. Most importantly, they control how the ball is distributed. Like a shooting guard doesn't look to pass, a gun slinger QB doesn't like to dink and dunk. It's a mindset of how an offense should run.

 

[Rosco]

Whatever he weighs, I don’t know why we should make the assumption that he can’t add weight.

Check this...

Scouting Bryce Young: Alabama quarterback similar to a young Drew Brees

Young plays more like Drew Brees than Kyler Murray. That will help him avoid injury.

There’s only so much weight a person can add. With his metabolism he’ll lose any weight gained pretty quickly.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

There’s only so much weight a person can add. With his metabolism he’ll lose any weight gained pretty quickly.

Players add -- and keep -- weight all the time. Unless you are his personal physician, neither of us know his metabolism, but he shouldn't have a problem getting over 200 pounds.

 

[Welshers]

Players add -- and keep -- weight all the time. Unless you are his personal physician, neither of us know his metabolism, but he shouldn't have a problem getting over 200 pounds.

yeah I'm just not too sold on shorter QBs. They just cant see over the line. Russ has had trouble over the middle of the field. And Baker has led the NFL in tipped passes the last couple years. Cause hes short (for a NFL qb)

 

[Mase]

-- Threads like this remind me why I am glad fans don't run drafts for teams. I have stayed out of the tank for a QB chat because I believe it to be absurd. If for some reason we did have a horrible season and had the top pick, I think it much more likely we take Anderson. Actually, I would expect us to move down, but if we stayed at one, to take the pass rusher.

Mase

 

[Smellyman]

NFL QB prospects are the hardest evaluation in all of sports. Here's a prime example of 2 QB's who were basically clones in college:

QB 1-
56.2 completion %
7.8 Yards per average throw
137.7 career college rating

QB 2-
56.9 completion %
7.9 Yards per average throw
138.8 career college rating

Both had big arms and great work ethics
QB 1 played in the Mountain West Conference
QB 2 played in the SEC against much tougher competition

In the end, there are so many factors in the NFL that affect development. Commitment, processing speed, coaching, team situation, etc.

High draft picks are great, but they don't guarantee success at QB. The Seahawks are going to need some luck in the process as well.











QB 1- Josh Allen
QB 2- Drew Lock

I could give two poops about stats for a QB in college. It is all about the big drive when it's needed, how in control they look in those situations and how they make people better.

Eye test matters.

 

[sc85sis]

I like the kid from USC.

He’s a true sophomore.

 

[Rosco]

Players add -- and keep -- weight all the time. Unless you are his personal physician, neither of us know his metabolism, but he shouldn't have a problem getting over 200 pounds.

He doesn’t have the body frame to carry much more weight ,I’ve seen cornerbacks bigger than him.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

I'm less concerned with his weight than his height.

1. NFL rules protecting the QB helps smaller guys like Young who are better protected in the pocket than ever before.

2. He know how to take a hit. He's comfortable carrying the ball. I've seen QBs 30lbs heavier with a higher chance of injury because they don't know how to protect themselves. They were never ball carriers and if they had to scramble in the NFL just look awkward as heck.

Lots of season left to scout

 

[ivotuk]

Teams have been getting stung by drafting QBs from loaded teams, only to see them fail when they get to the NFL. It's a lot different than have a team full of NFL players and taking on scrub teams with 1, 2 and 3 Star Talent.

Every year Ohio State and Alabama produce "can't miss" prospects, and every year, they bomb the first time they face real competition.

Bryce did good at the end of the game, but he was on a vastly superior team, and barely scraped out a win. Plus, he's Kellen Moore small.

 

[GemCity]

yeah I'm just not too sold on shorter QBs. They just cant see over the line. Russ has had trouble over the middle of the field. And Baker has led the NFL in tipped passes the last couple years. Cause hes short (for a NFL qb)

That’s how I feel. Obviously, shorter QBs have been successful and continue to have success but…it’s not my first option.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I'm less concerned with his weight than his height.

1. NFL rules protecting the QB helps smaller guys like Young who are better protected in the pocket than ever before.

2. He know how to take a hit. He's comfortable carrying the ball. I've seen QBs 30lbs heavier with a higher chance of injury because they don't know how to protect themselves. They were never ball carriers and if they had to scramble in the NFL just look awkward as heck.

Lots of season left to scout

Fran Tarkenton was 6-0, 190 and played 17 years. The NFL record book is full of short QBs like him and Brees who knew how to play the game. You don’t have to just stand in pocket and take hits.

 

[Titus Pullo]

The list of first round QB busts is long. There are no tests to determine one's mindset for a successful NFL career.

They tried that with the Wonderlic test, and it doesn't work.

All we can do is draft a QB with all the physical attributes and hope for the best.

Not saying QBs shorter than six feet will never play great but in order for them to flourish, coaches have to modify the offense around them.

Might as well, stick to the preferred norm of:

6'4" 220 lbs
Stong arm
Accurate
Mobile (I don't mean running

The other attributes like footwork and reading defenses can be taught.

*The only thing left is reacting quickly to circumstances and leadership....Both can't be taught.

 

[RiverDog]

I’m hoping the Hawks take Will Levis from Kentucky. I like his arm, pocket awareness, ability to run, and the Josh Allen comp.

Did you see the Kentucky-Florida game this weekend? I wasn't impressed with either Levis or Richardson from Florida. Granted, it was the first time that I've seen either and it was just one game, but neither one of them looked like NFL material.