Division champ with a losing record

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Looks like Seattle will have some company in this stat once the nfc south shakes out. Will there be the same outrage?

It's already happened twice since - also both times in the NFC South. This will be 3rd time an NFC South team wins division with losing record.

Time to get rid?
 

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While the idea of a losing team making the playoffs is weird, I don't support getting rid of the Division Champion seeding. Winning the division should mean something, even if the record is crappy. We did it, others have done it.
 

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It's already happened twice since - also both times in the NFC South. This will be 3rd time an NFC South team wins division with losing record.

Time to get rid?
That got me thinking about how this could really work.

Outside the US many if not most professional sports are based around promotion and relegation, so the team(s) that do worst get relegated to the second tier (Think AAA baseball but the teams are not farms of major league teams).

Having automatic promotion is probably going too far but you could have the worst performing NFL team have to apply for re-election, if a team consistently is uncompetitive dispite the advantages of draft picks and schudlng they get booted out to the UFL to be replaced by the UFL champions.
 
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I really believe the NFL screwed Carolina outa this division lead. They should be 9-8. The only group that’s has anything to gain from Tampa bay winning is the NFL. They will probably double their profits off the saints falcons game because it means something now. That PI on Teratoa pisses me off so bad. It is so easy for the nfl to steer the game. The only way to guarantee you beat the refs and the NFL is don’t let the other team score
 

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That got me thinking about how this could really work.

Outside the US many if not most professional sports are based around promotion and relegation, so the team(s) that do worst get relegated to the second tier (Think AAA baseball but the teams are not farms of major league teams).

Having automatic promotion is probably going too far but you could have the worst performing NFL team have to apply for re-election, if a team consistently is uncompetitive dispite the advantages of draft picks and schudlng they get booted out to the UFL to be replaced by the UFL champions.
No we are not Soccer or Futbol, Baseball, Basketball, Football all use the draft, typically it's the ownership and front office that cause the issues. The winners cycle, look at the turnover of teams making the playoffs for the first time in years, Patriots, Us, Steelers, 49ers, Chiefs, all have their part of the cycle and many others.

Commanders were a mess and finally are in a correction mode due to Snyder. Raiders have not been the same organization since Al passed away, Mark isn't in the same building as Al was when it comes to knowing the game from the League Commissioner to the ball boys. He is trying something new, see the Brady influence but I will say the jury is out still, one year does not show what they are trying to do.

Baseball has it's system and money influences how good teams are but they still have the ability for smaller market teams to rise if they truly want to win. Scouting is a big key there or deep pockets like the Yankees or Red Sox to buy championships.

The most unbalanced league to me is the NBA, game has changed a lot, the way trades happen and the cap there I don't understand anymore, 3 and 4 team trades to move a player and accommodate them in their cap system seems like a lot there to manipulate.
 
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Football all use the draft, typically it's the ownership and front office that cause the issues.
It was more a theoretical exercise than a serious suggestion, football is deigned to have a level playing field, and the UFL isn't anything like a second divsion of football.

Having said that despite all the attempts to pull them up off the basement with high draft picks (and lots of draft capital which comes with low performance) the Jets haven't made the play-offs since 2010 and in 7 of the last 11 seasons have had 5 wins or less. Yes it is an ownership / Front office problem so why should they continue to be rewarded with an NFL franchise, give someone else a chance.

It would be tough on the fans to have suffered for so long and then have there team replaced by one hundreds or even thousands on miles away but that happens on a regular basis when teams relocate to a city that will pay for a shiny new stadium.
 

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Meanwhile, Rams dancing around like they just cured a disease....when they're struggling against Arizona 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

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It was more a theoretical exercise than a serious suggestion, football is deigned to have a level playing field, and the UFL isn't anything like a second divsion of football.

Having said that despite all the attempts to pull them up off the basement with high draft picks (and lots of draft capital which comes with low performance) the Jets haven't made the play-offs since 2010 and in 7 of the last 11 seasons have had 5 wins or less. Yes it is an ownership / Front office problem so why should they continue to be rewarded with an NFL franchise, give someone else a chance.

It would be tough on the fans to have suffered for so long and then have there team replaced by one hundreds or even thousands on miles away but that happens on a regular basis when teams relocate to a city that will pay for a shiny new stadium.
Do you think someone should take your home away if you can't mow the lawn and wash the windows every week? The owners had to be vetted and approved to buy the team, operation wise its typically based on their success in making that much money. Most meddleing owners think they can run a team like a business, problem is the players are the product, managing them is your coaches, finding them the GM and Scouts. Not listening to Mel Kiper.

Losing face, losing Money, and finally losing records motivate living owners to sell.
 

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