Deflategate basically over after today's press conf

[50yrpatsfan]

The Pats fans in this thread are freaking delusonal. Billicheck just explained the process of taking an underinflated ball, by 1 psi, and making it temporarily at the league minimum during testing. He just told you how he cheated, yet you al buy it hook line and sinker. To get under pressure as much as the balls were they had to start below pressure before prepping. So they were purposely under inflating them.

Uh, no. The scuffing/rubbing of footballs is legal as of 2006 or 7. Peyton Manning lobbied the league to allow QB's to prepare the surface of the football so it's not slippery and easier to grip. Every QB does it, it's not illegal or unethical or anything of that nature. Eli Manning has had major articles published about this, Brady described in his presser that they rub down the balls etc. That's what has led to the teams having possession of the game balls before submitting them to the ref.

It sounds to me that nobody realized that doing this raises psi. And even it anyone did, it's not against any rule.

I know the prepping is legal, but they didn't realise that they started off with under regulation pressure while prepping the ball? Bill says the prepping raises the ball pressure by 1 psi, and the balls were 12.5, or league minimum, when tested by the refs. If they started off at the league minimum they would have been at 13.5 during initial testing by the refs. Sorry this comes off as something initentional.

This is a good point, and this is my take on it. The team and players aren't overly tuned into the psi number per se. They are focused on the feel and texture of the skin - basically how slippery is it. The refs do the inflation, which was news to me until today. The team preps the balls and turns them over to the ref with instructions to fill to x - some value between 12.5 and 13.5. I doubt anyone chooses 13 or 13.2 - the QB already knows if he likes it on the high or low side and requests either 12.5 or 13.5.

So I don't think they're in there before the game calculating psi, which also is impacted by outside temp and wetness and altitude, which are different from game to game. I think they just focus on the condition of the leather and that's it.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Now THIS is scientific... our action reporter can FEEL the difference between 10.5 and 12.5.

Unless the Patriots Homers will concede that Roland is a better QB than Brady, the case is over.

I'm just saying, a three-year-old can tell the difference between 10.5 PSI and 12.5 PSI in a football.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

"just made"??? The media has just carried out a complete and irresponsible character assassination of Tom freakin Brady, to the point that most of you here bought it all.

Shut the hell up. I played with the football in my closet at 12.5 PSI, then deflated it to 10.5 PSI, and the difference is INSANELY NOTICEABLE.

Tom Brady's a liar. FACT. Irrefutable. I don't know if he orchestrated it or not, but about not noticing? Yeah. He's so full of fecal matter, his eyes are brown. Stop being such a biased homer; get the hell out of here with that crap.

Lets keep it civil. Brady said that when he's sitting around evaluating the balls, he likes 12.5 the best. But obviously when he takes a snap and has literally 2 secs to decide where he's going with it, he's not noticing the difference at that point. I can understand that, can't you?

And I should add - he performed better in the Indy game when it was 12.5 in the 2nd half, whether he realized there was a difference or not.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I think the Patriots literally just made 90% of the country Seahawks fans for the Super Bowl.

"just made"??? The media has just carried out a complete and irresponsible character assassination of Tom freakin Brady, to the point that most of you here bought it all. The country already hates us, we get it. They hate us because of this type of media behavior.

Have you watched Brunell and Bettis on espn? Read the USA Today articles and headlines? Yellow journalism at its despicable worst.

The patriots cheated and now are somehow victims? Don't want your rep tarnished? Then don't cheat, simple as that!

 

[RolandDeschain]

But obviously when he takes a snap and has literally 2 secs to decide where he's going with it, he's not noticing the difference at that point. I can understand that, can't you?

I understand it just fine. It's total garbage and a flat-out lie. I could literally offer you $50 to tell me which ball is 10.5 PSI and which one is 12.5 PSI by simply beaning you in the forehead once with each, and you not even touching them otherwise and you'd get the right answer.

 

[Hawkpower]

I tried to give this place a chance and 5 posts in it's clear to me you guys are just like the rest of the forums on the internet. Fed BS and you eat it up. This'll be my last post at least until the final report comes out but I'll say this:

The Patriots' footballs could've been at, say, 11.5 PSI. They get conditioned, and because of it are at 12.5 PSI. They get measured at 12.5 PSI and are put aside. They get brought outside and deflate to 11.5 due to the friction from rubbing down the footballs wearing off. Then they drop down to 10.5 because of the weather. That would explain why they deflated by halftime but stayed fine towards the end of the game (because they didn't just go through the pre-inspection rub downs).

This would explain why the Colts' footballs did not deflate. If they conditioned their footballs a different way, OR, they conditioned them well before the football game, AND inflated them to 13.5, they would still be within the legal limit if they dropped by 1 PSI just like the Patriots' footballs did.

Of course, it doesn't matter what anyone says, and to about 95% of you guys here the Patriots are cheaters and frauds regardless of facts and what the outcome of the investigation is. I won't hold my breath waiting for anyone at all to say "Guess we were wrong." So to you all, good luck in the days up to and after the Super Bowl, but I wish the worst of luck on your team during gameday.

I tried to give Pats fans a chance, but its clear 5 posts in that you guys clearly are, without a doubt, the most delusional fan base in America.

Your coach and "star" QB lie to the nation and you guys eat it up hook line and sinker.

Sad little men you all are.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

Now THIS is scientific... our action reporter can FEEL the difference between 10.5 and 12.5.

Unless the Patriots Homers will concede that Roland is a better QB than Brady, the case is over.

I'm just saying, a three-year-old can tell the difference between 10.5 PSI and 12.5 PSI in a football.

Another thing Belichick said today is that his QB's could absolutely not distinguish a 1 psi difference, they were tested and got it wrong all the time.

At a 2 psi difference, they were better at telling the diff but still didn't get it right all the time.

So if you're saying that you or a 3 yr old can tell better than a professional QB, what can I say?

 

[Laloosh]

The Pats fans in this thread are freaking delusonal. Billicheck just explained the process of taking an underinflated ball, by 1 psi, and making it temporarily at the league minimum during testing. He just told you how he cheated, yet you al buy it hook line and sinker. To get under pressure as much as the balls were they had to start below pressure before prepping. So they were purposely under inflating them.

Uh, no. The scuffing/rubbing of footballs is legal as of 2006 or 7. Peyton Manning lobbied the league to allow QB's to prepare the surface of the football so it's not slippery and easier to grip. Every QB does it, it's not illegal or unethical or anything of that nature. Eli Manning has had major articles published about this, Brady described in his presser that they rub down the balls etc. That's what has led to the teams having possession of the game balls before submitting them to the ref.

It sounds to me that nobody realized that doing this raises psi. And even it anyone did, it's not against any rule.

I know the prepping is legal, but they didn't realise that they started off with under regulation pressure while prepping the ball? Bill says the prepping raises the ball pressure by 1 psi, and the balls were 12.5, or league minimum, when tested by the refs. If they started off at the league minimum they would have been at 13.5 during initial testing by the refs. Sorry this comes off as something initentional.

This is a good point, and this is my take on it. The team and players aren't overly tuned into the psi number per se. They are focused on the feel and texture of the skin - basically how slippery is it. The refs do the inflation, which was news to me until today. The team preps the balls and turns them over to the ref with instructions to fill to x - some value between 12.5 and 13.5. I doubt anyone chooses 13 or 13.2 - the QB already knows if he likes it on the high or low side and requests either 12.5 or 13.5.

So I don't think they're in there before the game calculating psi, which also is impacted by outside temp and wetness and altitude, which are different from game to game. I think they just focus on the condition of the leather and that's it.

The refs aren't responsible for inflating the balls unless they're given to them and test outside of the acceptable range.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflatega ... -pressure/

 

[hawknation2015]

Another thing Belichick said today is that his QB's could absolutely not distinguish a 1 psi difference, they were tested and got it wrong all the time.

Where is the Pats fan who was saying shiz about sample size?

:snack:

 

[RolandDeschain]

At a 2 psi difference, they were better at telling the diff but still didn't get it right all the time.

I suppose you've got no clue what "confirmation bias" is, or how some people might succumb to it to help their team, yeah?

 

[Laloosh]

Now THIS is scientific... our action reporter can FEEL the difference between 10.5 and 12.5.

Unless the Patriots Homers will concede that Roland is a better QB than Brady, the case is over.

I'm just saying, a three-year-old can tell the difference between 10.5 PSI and 12.5 PSI in a football.

Another thing Belichick said today is that his QB's could absolutely not distinguish a 1 psi difference, they were tested and got it wrong all the time.

At a 2 psi difference, they were better at telling the diff but still didn't get it right all the time.

So if you're saying that you or a 3 yr old can tell better than a professional QB, what can I say?

Let's cut through the bullshit here. If Brady or Belichick told you that you were Japanese, you'd suddenly develop an affinity for anime and eating with chop sticks.

You're literally regurgitating what you heard from Billy Boy and his words don't have the same impact on non-deflatriot homers. You can honestly drop the assumption that we'll suddenly abandon logic to accept this BS you're dealing.

 

[rideaducati]

The Pats fans in this thread are freaking delusonal. Billicheck just explained the process of taking an underinflated ball, by 1 psi, and making it temporarily at the league minimum during testing. He just told you how he cheated, yet you al buy it hook line and sinker. To get under pressure as much as the balls were they had to start below pressure before prepping. So they were purposely under inflating them.

Uh, no. The scuffing/rubbing of footballs is legal as of 2006 or 7. Peyton Manning lobbied the league to allow QB's to prepare the surface of the football so it's not slippery and easier to grip. Every QB does it, it's not illegal or unethical or anything of that nature. Eli Manning has had major articles published about this, Brady described in his presser that they rub down the balls etc. That's what has led to the teams having possession of the game balls before submitting them to the ref.

It sounds to me that nobody realized that doing this raises psi. And even it anyone did, it's not against any rule.

I know the prepping is legal, but they didn't realise that they started off with under regulation pressure while prepping the ball? Bill says the prepping raises the ball pressure by 1 psi, and the balls were 12.5, or league minimum, when tested by the refs. If they started off at the league minimum they would have been at 13.5 during initial testing by the refs. Sorry this comes off as something initentional.

This is a good point, and this is my take on it. The team and players aren't overly tuned into the psi number per se. They are focused on the feel and texture of the skin - basically how slippery is it. The refs do the inflation, which was news to me until today. The team preps the balls and turns them over to the ref with instructions to fill to x - some value between 12.5 and 13.5. I doubt anyone chooses 13 or 13.2 - the QB already knows if he likes it on the high or low side and requests either 12.5 or 13.5.

So I don't think they're in there before the game calculating psi, which also is impacted by outside temp and wetness and altitude, which are different from game to game. I think they just focus on the condition of the leather and that's it.

Well, this is my take on it. The Patriots figured out that a ball that only has 10psi is easier to hold on to for all players and would therefore be fumbled fewer times. Those balls would also be easier to catch and throw in inclement weather. The Patriots also figured out that the footballs were checked over two hours prior to the start of games, so they had ample time to deflate them. They also found out that Tommy liked his balls on the soft side.

Having that information, they figured out the when and how to get to and deflate them without being noticed. It worked well until they got caught. They have had the balls being deflated for so long that they practically forgot that this has been being done. They told the equipment guy to make sure this was done before every game and then forgot about it. That equipment guy has been doing it ever since.

 

[BocciHawk]

Oh and the graph about the fumbles was completely skewed stats, look it up. Or don't, because it doesn't fit your narrative and you believe anything on the internet to be true.

This guy JUST POSTED that it was his last post on the subject.

Unreal, and I was hoping he was going away.

I have lost all respect for the Patriots and believe that neither Brady or Belichek should be in the hall of fame.

If they do make it in, I suspect their items will be repeatedly vandalized. Just a hunch.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

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So I don't think they're in there before the game calculating psi, which also is impacted by outside temp and wetness and altitude, which are different from game to game. I think they just focus on the condition of the leather and that's it.

The refs aren't responsible for inflating the balls unless they're given to them and test outside of the acceptable range.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflatega ... -pressure/

That isn't what Belichick described today. He said they submit the balls to the ref with a request to inflate to a certain psi. Pretty clear. But I know how impeccable mmqb and SI are.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

This is a good point, and this is my take on it. The team and players aren't overly tuned into the psi number per se. They are focused on the feel and texture of the skin - basically how slippery is it. The refs do the inflation, which was news to me until today. The team preps the balls and turns them over to the ref with instructions to fill to x - some value between 12.5 and 13.5. I doubt anyone chooses 13 or 13.2 - the QB already knows if he likes it on the high or low side and requests either 12.5 or 13.5.

So I don't think they're in there before the game calculating psi, which also is impacted by outside temp and wetness and altitude, which are different from game to game. I think they just focus on the condition of the leather and that's it.[/quote]

Well, this is my take on it. The Patriots figured out that a ball that only has 10psi is easier to hold on to for all players and would therefore be fumbled fewer times. Those balls would also be easier to catch and throw in inclement weather. The Patriots also figured out that the footballs were checked over two hours prior to the start of games, so they had ample time to deflate them. They also found out that Tommy liked his balls on the soft side.

Having that information, they figured out the when and how to get to and deflate them without being noticed. It worked well until they got caught. They have had the balls being deflated for so long that they practically forgot that this has been being done. They told the equipment guy to make sure this was done before every game and then forgot about it. That equipment guy has been doing it ever since.[/quote]

That's what I thought too until today.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

Now THIS is scientific... our action reporter can FEEL the difference between 10.5 and 12.5.

Unless the Patriots Homers will concede that Roland is a better QB than Brady, the case is over.

I'm just saying, a three-year-old can tell the difference between 10.5 PSI and 12.5 PSI in a football.

Another thing Belichick said today is that his QB's could absolutely not distinguish a 1 psi difference, they were tested and got it wrong all the time.

At a 2 psi difference, they were better at telling the diff but still didn't get it right all the time.

So if you're saying that you or a 3 yr old can tell better than a professional QB, what can I say?

Let's cut through the bullshit here. If Brady or Belichick told you that you were Japanese, you'd suddenly develop an affinity for anime and eating with chop sticks.

You're literally regurgitating what you heard from Billy Boy and his words don't have the same impact on non-deflatriot homers. You can honestly drop the assumption that we'll suddenly abandon logic to accept this BS you're dealing.

Except that no alternative story made any sense whatsoever. Every word out of his mouth today and on this whole stinkin mess has been the truth. The lies are coming from espn and the inept league office.

 

[rideaducati]

This is a good point, and this is my take on it. The team and players aren't overly tuned into the psi number per se. They are focused on the feel and texture of the skin - basically how slippery is it. The refs do the inflation, which was news to me until today. The team preps the balls and turns them over to the ref with instructions to fill to x - some value between 12.5 and 13.5. I doubt anyone chooses 13 or 13.2 - the QB already knows if he likes it on the high or low side and requests either 12.5 or 13.5.

So I don't think they're in there before the game calculating psi, which also is impacted by outside temp and wetness and altitude, which are different from game to game. I think they just focus on the condition of the leather and that's it.

Well, this is my take on it. The Patriots figured out that a ball that only has 10psi is easier to hold on to for all players and would therefore be fumbled fewer times. Those balls would also be easier to catch and throw in inclement weather. The Patriots also figured out that the footballs were checked over two hours prior to the start of games, so they had ample time to deflate them. They also found out that Tommy liked his balls on the soft side.

Having that information, they figured out the when and how to get to and deflate them without being noticed. It worked well until they got caught. They have had the balls being deflated for so long that they practically forgot that this has been being done. They told the equipment guy to make sure this was done before every game and then forgot about it. That equipment guy has been doing it ever since.

That's what I thought too until today.

So, you really believe that Bill Belichick did a science experiment with the balls? Yeah, right.

 

[Laloosh]

So I don't think they're in there before the game calculating psi, which also is impacted by outside temp and wetness and altitude, which are different from game to game. I think they just focus on the condition of the leather and that's it.

The refs aren't responsible for inflating the balls unless they're given to them and test outside of the acceptable range.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflatega ... -pressure/

That isn't what Belichick described today. He said they submit the balls to the ref with a request to inflate to a certain psi. Pretty clear. But I know how impeccable mmqb and SI are.

Thank you for making my point for me. Even when you see the footage of how it actually works, you defer to what Belichick said, lol.

 

[RunTheBall]

Thank you for making my point for me. Even when you see the footage of how it actually works, you defer to what Belichick said, lol.

Belichick and Brady should take polygraph lie detector tests on deflategate, why not just end the controversy once and for all?

 

[rideaducati]

Thank you for making my point for me. Even when you see the footage of how it actually works, you defer to what Belichick said, lol.

Belichick and Brady should take polygraph lie detector tests on deflategate, why not just end the controversy once and for all?

On live television.