Day 3 Camp Observations

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Watched practice on Saturday via the live stream on Seahawks.com. The team spent the majority of practice in individual position groups before finishing with some full-speed (though not full-contact) 11-on-11. A few observations, by position group, which admittedly are mostly observations of a 'physical' nature rather than a 'football' nature given that it was mostly individual work/drills today...

QB

Not a lot to gauge here as the camera didn't usually follow the path of the ball so that you could measure the accuracy of the pass or if it was even completed. That said, nothing negative stood out and all 3 were firing the ball around well. During group drills, the QB's rotated throwing to the WR and TE groups. Quinn actually looked pretty natural operating out of the shotgun. Jackson's delivery could still be more compact, and Wilson needs to be careful not to over-step/stride into his throws when he 'muscles up' on a pass, which can cause issues with his balance and trajectory.

RB/FB

With Robinson again sitting out, Ware and Coleman were your FB's (in that order), with Coleman also getting 3rd team reps at RB behind Lynch and Michael. Michael stood out in 11-on-11, particularly on one run off the RG which he cut back against the grain and beat the DB to the left sideline for a would-be TD, eliciting a roar from the crowd. Ware still needs a lot more bulk before he's ready to be legitimate NFL fullback, and his 5-10 frame will probably always conspire against him in that regard...at least to some degree, but he's an intriguing prospect for sure.

WR

Didn't get a lot to see here, but one thing that stood out is that Phil Bates is really starting to look the part of a WR. He even got some 1-on-1 time from Pete Carroll, which is always a good sign. Bates has long and very well-defined arms with large hands, which allows him to look and play even bigger than his 6-1 frame. Tate caught a long TD pass near the end of 11-on-11's.

TE

The big news here is that McGrath was back in action again and didn't appear to be materially hobbled in any way. Willson really looks the part, very similar to Bengals 1st-rounder Tyler Eifert on the hoof. Fells also looks spectacular in uniform with his 6-7 frame and condor-like wingspan. Physically he's everything you want, now its just a matter of whether he can learn how to play the game. Helfet again lined up flexed out wide in 11-on-11's, like a WR, which is almost what he looks like physically. Marshall, too, is built more like an overgrown WR than a TE. This is not a particularly dynamic position group right now, esp. with Miller out and McCoy gone for the season.

OL

That all-season radial that Carpenter was toting around his mid-section this time last year has clearly - though not entirely - been reduced. He was firing out of his stance and moving very, very well. Health is the only thing standing in the way of him being a potentially All-Pro lineman, much like Okung entering last season. Bowie looks like a 1st round draft pick on the hoof with his frame, arm length, and even his movement skills. A 'redshirt' season is surely needed, but there's some major potential here. Alvin Bailey was getting 3rd team reps at RT behind Breno and Bowie. McQuistan has the lower body of a big TE. Person has talent but certainly doesn't possess the prototype LT frame and length that you look for. Jeanpierre is clearly the smallest of all the O-linemen and almost looks out of place compared to many of the others (almost like a walk-on at a college practice).

DL

Didn't get to see a lot here, but one thing to surely note is that Williams finished practice as a spectator with his pads off and didn't participate during the 11-on-11's. Not sure what may have happened, but he appeared to be moving around fine. Howard again got reps at DE in 11-on-11 and didn't look out of place. McDaniel has a great frame but is lean and lacks bulk/girth inside. When he stands next to Mebane they look like a human number 10. Hill is a quicker and less robust version of Mebane. Boatright looks the part on the hoof, and Powell worked exclusively with the Leo DE's.

LB

Bruce Irvin really looks the part of an NFL OLB. As undersized as he looked (was) as a DE last season, he is a 'man' at OLB, an almost mirror image - physically - to KJ Wright, and appears to be in superb shape even with the added pounds. Now its just a matter of fine-tuning his craft as an OLB and learning how to play moving backward, forward and side-to-side, instead of just forward. Lotuleilei is intriguing, but watching one of the OG's get to him on the 2nd level during a sweep play and completely engulfing and washing him out was a sobering reminder of his size limitations. Bradford, too, lacks length at MLB but has made himself very thick and sturdy. Liked what I saw from Malcolm Smith, who moves very well, plays bigger than his size, and seems to carry himself confidently on the field now.

DB

Not a lot to glean here simply because the 11-on-11's were mostly running plays or short passing plays. Here's your depth chart based on how they lined up today.

LC - Sherman, Winfield (nickel), Lane, Parker
RC - Browner, Thurmond, Maxwell, Blackmon
SS - Chancellor, Johnson, Guy
FS - Thomas, Maragos, Shead

Liked what I saw, physically, of Guy. He and Shead are mirror images (excluding Guy's long locks), and look quite imposing lining up together in the back end. Shead got some 1:1 instruction from Marquand Manuel, again a good sign.

ST's

Were off in another area and not visible.
 

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I thought Tate had a great day. It was fun to watch him outrun and trick Browner play after play.

I was rooting for Lane, but he did not look that stellar. Maybe he'll make the squad on Special Teams. I hope so.

I'm liking Maragos. He's got green shoes and a high motor (at least for camp). That's enough for my in depth analysis!
 

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I saw that cutback run from Michaels. Pretty awesome run.

I concur that the cameraman has to pan out more. This zoomed in on a single player following them around does nothing for the viewer. More than half the time, that player isnt even involved in a drill or the focal point of a team drill. Following the QB's is also pointless if you dont allow us to see the throws. At one point, he was following Quinn, and quinn hands it off and runs a fake bootleg, and he just follows quinn as he trots away from the play and has his hands on his hips watching. Thats what I want to see, a guy not involved in the actual play being run. I think we need to reach out to them and give them a few pointers from a spectator perspective.
 

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Practice was much more energized than yesterday. Stephen Williams stood out, as did Golden.

For the Harvin worriers, he was moving around fine and flexing his hips from side to side.

In the 2 minute drill Wilson actually looked a bit sloppy to the untrained eye. In 3 successive plays it was: Sherman int (Which he ran back and then lateraled to Thomas, it was awesome), then a sack, and then a pass blocked as LOS. I think it more about us having an elite defense than him having any problems.
 

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I have to wonder if this lingering question regarding Harvin might be in RW's head just a bit (too). Being the film room warrior that he is, I have to think he has spent hundreds of hrs considering options and sets for Harvin. The kid is human and the possibility of losing such a weapon might have him a bit perplexed, if not distracted. I have no worries about our young QB and if he wants to push the envelope, to better understand his strengths and/or limitations, there's no time like the present to do so.

Very excited to see Michael in action (as well as the other first year Hawks). Can't wait to see the new Irvin, too! Is this practice still accessible on .com?

Thanks for the great report. Go Hawks!
 

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I was at training camp today, as well; my favorite play was by FAR the Sherman interception where he was running it back, then pitched it to Thomas to keep it going. Hilarious. Plenty of us cheered that one. Also, Golden Tate is a manimal that hauls in everything within the range of the gravity generators built into his hands.
 

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For anyone who has attended or followed these practices before. Has Tate always been a training camp hero or do you believe he is hitting another level?

As for Wilson having a few blunders, that's kind of a good thing. It reminds him how easy it is to makes mistakes and it probably helps the confidence of the D to win a few battles here and there. One thing is for sure, just like Harvin and Winfield working opposite each other, this offense and defense will only be better from doing the same.
 

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I went today and a few things I noticed that mean nothing

Sherm looked good.

Tate looked awesome. Several big catches during position drills. Typical for him. Burned Browner all day.

Harper was the second best receiver behind Tate with several good catches.

Rocky Seto stuck out too. Almost like he is being groomed. During position drills he went from group to group watching while Quinn stayed with the big boys and did drills. He also "ran" the second units if you'll call it when they split into drills. I may be way off but, it seems like he is somewhat of an heir apparent of sorts.

The LOB was for the most part together throughout even on the sidelines. Earl was to himself at times but the others seemed to always congregate.

Hard to tell who was "running with the first unit." The practice went so fast and was so fluid on defense it was hard to tell. Malcolm Smith got more reps with what looked like the first unit at OLB but no drills were ever the same. The last run of 11 on 11 had Bennett at Leo. At no time could you say to yourself that's what the starters will look like because you'd realize that Earl wasn't in there or whatever. Very fluid and a ton of rotating.

Clemons was on hand and looks to be in good shape.

Either the defense looks awesome or the O looked terrible. The final session of 11 on 11 had the O go Sherman pick, sack batted pass. incompletion that Maxwell give Bldwin the business afterwards. I think the first completion was by Brady.

Harvin was there. Carroll chatted him up but for the most part he was just hanging out alone.

Rice did not take part in any contact drills.

Michael had a few big breaks for being a guy in practice breaking tackles no one is actually trying to make. Very quick. Big burst.

The leaders stick out when they take and are on the field. None of the D line really fit that bill except for Clemons who was with the coaches during the D line drills and was in Irvin's ear when he was with the line. Irvin split between D line and LBer groups. Clemons was tutoring both Avril and Irvin but more Irvin. Wagner and Wright have a presence about them. The LOB and Wilson.

Robinson didn't practice and Ware didn't stick out. Probably good.

So that's my take on a two hour practice in shorts and playing pillow football evaluation. It means nothing and I'm probably wrong with some of my conclusions but, that's what I saw.

***** I posted this in another thread. I find it interesting the Op thought that Irvin looked the part when live he didn't stick out at all. As stated it was hard to tell who the firsts were and Smith seemed to be with the firsts.
 

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I have a hunch Tate has been obsessed and working out like a madman since the day Harvin was signed. I recall his initial "tweet" wasn't exactly spent welcoming Harvin to the team / position. If this is the case (and I have to think it's at least a piece of the case), good on Golden Tate. He didn't sit around pouting about it (like Harvin might have), instead he set out to prove his worth to the team. I expect big things from Tate this year and because of his relationship with RW, he will likely become RW's go-to guy, with or without the presence of Harvin.
 

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HawkWow":20hdbcej said:
I have a hunch Tate has been obsessed and working out like a madman since the day Harvin was signed. I recall his initial "tweet" wasn't exactly spent welcoming Harvin to the team / position. If this is the case (and I have to think it's at least a piece of the case), good on Golden Tate. He didn't sit around pouting about it (like Harvin might have), instead he set out to prove his worth to the team. I expect big things from Tate this year and because of his relationship with RW, he will likely become RW's go-to guy, with or without the presence of Harvin.


That was blown out. Besides Harvin plays Baldwins position for the most part.
 
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