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A bone break is a cleaner recovery than blowing out a ligament or joint. Just look at Thomas and Lockett. The high ankle sprain might be trickier than the fracture. Is he out for the season?
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Great news, and for all of the complaining about Lacy, this is the reason why PCJS brought him in. We need depth to allow Rawls and Procise to heal, and to cover for Carson. We will probably see Lacy carry the workload next weekend.
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hell yes! GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does that mean he can return before eight weeks?
Does that mean he can return before eight weeks?
mikeak
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So he will be rested for the playoffs?.......... He can also watch lots of video and understand the power blocking scheme that we will be deploying going forward :stirthepot:
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RussB":2rpxbzxc said:
While Russ' looked bad and was a clear injury at the time, they didn't look similar in magnitude. This one to Carson looked about as serious as you can get.
If I recall correctly... Russ' had his leg out, you could see it get stepped on but luckily it was pretty perpendicular to, and near the ground. Carson's was a foot going one way, body going the other type of play (unless you frame by frame, turns out it didn't look as bad as it first did)
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Just remembered there was more than one instance where Russ got hurt last year, so maybe we're talking about different instances. This was the one with Suh.
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Jville":21x1msd2 said:
Guess I'm old but I remember when someone broke a bone you would get a cast and that was it. Now it seems everytime/anytime a bone is broken(I understand there is multiple levels of breaks but is seems all) surgery seems one in the same. "Ow, I broke my arm. Damn need surgery and a cast."
I'm sure it is for the best though, just stating the impressiveness of modern medicine.
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Depends on the break. One of the most significant improvements in fracture treatment is the improvements made in the intramedullary nail. These are nails that are driven through the middle of long bones to stabilize fractures. Compared to casting, they generally reduce the time to recovery, improve union likelihood, reduce time to early ambulation and PT. Even after initial re-union and healing, they share some of the load while the bone fully heals, reducing the risk of re-injury to that bone.
They aren't entirely risk free. There can be infection. Pain from the nail itself or the screws used to lock it in place at either end. Etc. Sometimes a second surgery is required to remove the nail for pain.
Not all fractures can be treated identically. Relatively minor breaks will have relatively minor improvement in outcome from rodding. If you hear an athlete is considering surgery vs casting, that's a good sign that the break is relatively minor. With major breaks, there isn't anything to consider, it has to be surgically fixed.
Simple fractures like this, can be treated with casting or surgery. Many athletes will opt for surgery so they can begin PT ASAP and minimize the muscle wasting that we see with casting.
Devastating fractures like this obviously require surgery
Here is a picture of a fracture fixed with locking intramedullary nail. You can see how this acts as an "internal cast," supporting the break and allowing for earlier PT
There have also been improvements in the plating systems for fracture fixation. The long and short of it is, we have improved techniques to the point that it makes more sense to surgically address these fractures. It generally reduces recovery time and improves outcomes.
They aren't entirely risk free. There can be infection. Pain from the nail itself or the screws used to lock it in place at either end. Etc. Sometimes a second surgery is required to remove the nail for pain.
Not all fractures can be treated identically. Relatively minor breaks will have relatively minor improvement in outcome from rodding. If you hear an athlete is considering surgery vs casting, that's a good sign that the break is relatively minor. With major breaks, there isn't anything to consider, it has to be surgically fixed.
Simple fractures like this, can be treated with casting or surgery. Many athletes will opt for surgery so they can begin PT ASAP and minimize the muscle wasting that we see with casting.
Devastating fractures like this obviously require surgery
Here is a picture of a fracture fixed with locking intramedullary nail. You can see how this acts as an "internal cast," supporting the break and allowing for earlier PT
There have also been improvements in the plating systems for fracture fixation. The long and short of it is, we have improved techniques to the point that it makes more sense to surgically address these fractures. It generally reduces recovery time and improves outcomes.
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I thought I heard on the radio that Carson was specifically getting surgery for the high-ankle sprain and not for the fracture. They said the fracture would heal on it's own but the sprain was bad enough it needed surgery.
Any opinion from the people in the know on if that is good news or worse?
Any opinion from the people in the know on if that is good news or worse?
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DJrmb":223k6816 said:
Same thing I heard. I don't know what all that screw in fracture business is above, but doesn't sound like that is what was done to me.
This article also confirms that.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sport...s/seahawks-insider-blog/article176894481.html
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bigskydoc":1c2fqt2j said:Depends on the break. One of the most significant improvements in fracture treatment is the improvements made in the intramedullary nail. These are nails that are driven through the middle of long bones to stabilize fractures. Compared to casting, they generally reduce the time to recovery, improve union likelihood, reduce time to early ambulation and PT. Even after initial re-union and healing, they share some of the load while the bone fully heals, reducing the risk of re-injury to that bone.
They aren't entirely risk free. There can be infection. Pain from the nail itself or the screws used to lock it in place at either end. Etc. Sometimes a second surgery is required to remove the nail for pain.
Not all fractures can be treated identically. Relatively minor breaks will have relatively minor improvement in outcome from rodding. If you hear an athlete is considering surgery vs casting, that's a good sign that the break is relatively minor. With major breaks, there isn't anything to consider, it has to be surgically fixed.
Simple fractures like this, can be treated with casting or surgery. Many athletes will opt for surgery so they can begin PT ASAP and minimize the muscle wasting that we see with casting.
Devastating fractures like this obviously require surgery
Here is a picture of a fracture fixed with locking intramedullary nail. You can see how this acts as an "internal cast," supporting the break and allowing for earlier PT
There have also been improvements in the plating systems for fracture fixation. The long and short of it is, we have improved techniques to the point that it makes more sense to surgically address these fractures. It generally reduces recovery time and improves outcomes.
So what exactly then is a "high ankle sprain"? I have heard in the past that its essentially like a break. Does it show up on x-rays?
bigskydoc
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Just to clarify, the pictures I posted were in answer to the question about why so many fractures are addressed surgically now, when in the past they weren't.
I selected midshaft tibial fracture as this is the injury suffered by Thomas and Lockett last year, and you may remember some debate about treating them surgically or not.
I will put up a post about high ankle sprain surgery later. I hate the term as the injury, like gunshot wounds, can vary from minimal issue treated with tape (think Russell Wilson last year) to fairly significant injury requiring surgery and several months of recovery time.
I selected midshaft tibial fracture as this is the injury suffered by Thomas and Lockett last year, and you may remember some debate about treating them surgically or not.
I will put up a post about high ankle sprain surgery later. I hate the term as the injury, like gunshot wounds, can vary from minimal issue treated with tape (think Russell Wilson last year) to fairly significant injury requiring surgery and several months of recovery time.
ivotuk
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What pisses me off, is those 3 DL went overboard on that tackle, and caused the injury. Carson is already going down with someone wrapped around him, yet 2 DL grabbed him and shove him over backwards, hard. They weren't tackling a running back, I think they were trying hurt him.
