One too many trick plays from Johnson. He hurt his stock somewhat, but he is probably still #1 on Bears list. We will know soon.
Apparently Ben Johnson loves Sam Howell
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The first rumor in Bear World is that Johnson wants to use #10 pick on EDGE instead of offensive line. That’s surprising. It may be that he’s not too impressed with the OL college players in this draft.
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There are a lot of solid Oline in this draft, but you can probably find them all in the second round.
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What is the downside of starting Howell for a year? We'll get to see what he is capable of, and if he wins, awesome, and if he sucks, then we get a great pick in '26 and draft our qbotf. This is certainly better than running gePick out there for another year, winning 9 games, missing the playoffs again, and having a crap pick in '26 again.
Right. Some solid starters, but none worth #10 pick. Bears have two second round picks.
Will Seahawks draft OL in second round?
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Seahawks at 18 I'd say would be more willing to draft OL than one would at 10. Booker, Membou, Jackson, Campbell, Banks, Conerly Jr. These are some of the top OL, at least two or three of them could make it to 18 and I think it would be very tempting for Seattle to take one. Or, Seattle could move down into the 20's, one would probably still be there and you pick up a few extra picks.
At 18, if not OL, it would have to be a player that slipped through the cracks that would be just too tempting to pass up. Taylor Warren (TE), Jalon Walker (LB), Colston Loveland (TE), etc.
A guy on Bears forum wants to trade #10 to Seahawks for 18, 50, and 82.
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Screw him. Not touching that trade from a Seahawks perspective
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Ha!… No. Maybe in some Chicago fantasy but that hemorrhages Seattles own draft and future. But hey, whatever helps them sleep better at night because they certainly have plenty of their own problems.
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I don't have a crystal ball, but assuming that we start Howell and end the season at 5-12, or God forbid, 4-13. Would you still feel 'what's the downside'?
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Yes. What does winning four more games matter if it doesn't get us in the playoffs and prevents us from moving forward? Perpetual Purgatory moves us backwards, not forward, because other teams are progressing. Sometimes you have to take a step back to take a step forward. And if he surprised us and wins 12 games, yay for us.
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But this isn't true. Quoting myself from a previous thread:
"The league is a league of parity. Being in 'purgatory' isn't bad, it's normal. And being in the 'slightly better than average' purgatory is better than the 'slightly worse than average' purgatory.
Since 2013 (both our first Super Bowl victory and Geno's first year in the league, so I think a useful date), the average 3 season span of a team prior to making a non-consecutive Super Bowl appearance (I.E. they didn't play in the Super Bowl the year before), is 10-7, 9-8, 9-8--I.E. our exact record the last 3 years.
The average 3 seasons before a team ends up going last in their conference across that span: 6-11, 7-10, 7-10."
Since 2013, you know which team has had the most top 5 draft picks (and by a lot)? The Jacksonville Jaguars. And their strategy of sucking enough to get a bunch of top draft picks has worked so well they just fired their GM and get to pick in the top 5 again next year!
The NFL isn't like the NBA. Getting a top half of the first-round draft choice isn't signing you up for a first-class trip to the Super Bowl. All it nets you is the chance to grab a slightly better player at one of 11 positions for three different units of a football team.
There is almost no greater predictor of a team not winning a superbowl within 5 years than losing 12 games or more. Since 2001, the average record over the previous 4 seasons of all superbowl winners is 10-6, and of the teams to win a superbowl only 1 has lost 12 games or more in the preceding 4 seasons (2005 Saints, winning Superbowl in 2009).
In fact, in that time, the only teams to have lost 10 games or more in the 4 seasons prior to winning the superbowl are the aforementioned Saints, the pre-Brady Patriots, the pre-Brady Bucs, the 2008 Packers (Rodgers first season as a starter) and our very own 2009 Seahawks. Incidentally - Rodgers was the highest draft pick of all of those 4 QBs at 24th overall, so the losing season did nothing to help them in picking up a QBotF. And of course the chances of finding a Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or Russell Wilson in the draft is astronomically low, even if you have the 1st overall pick.
GeekHawk
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Certainly, going 2-14 in 1992 fixed us right up for the rest of the 90s.
Oh wait, that didn't happen at all.
toffee
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I still ain't done being mad at Ben Johnson's failure to join the Hawks just for the opportunity to coach Howell.
Both Howell and Caleb played one season, man, Howell showed more potential.
Both Howell and Caleb played one season, man, Howell showed more potential.
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