Salary Cap- Cap Increase

Titus Pullo said:

Good catch. They must have added that little statement after the new cap number was announced.

So that puts us at approximately, 7.2 million give or take a million.

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Closer to 10, you didn't account for a few of the late round picks replacing guys in top 51.

7.2 is counting 3 too many players, so roughly 2.4 million too much... Same math applies to any free agent signing btw, basically subtract 800k for anyone signed this season.

Also, draft picks don't need to be compliant until September for final cuts. For all intents and purposes the draft pick costs have very little impact on free agency

bigcc said:

Closer to 10, you didn't account for a few of the late round picks replacing guys in top 51.

7.2 is counting 3 too many players, so roughly 2.4 million too much... Same math applies to any free agent signing btw, basically subtract 800k for anyone signed this season.

Also, draft picks don't need to be compliant until September for final cuts. For all intents and purposes the draft pick costs have very little impact on free agency

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Keeping Geno and not resigning a few decent players that will be free agents this year, is making even less sense the more I dig into the numbers.

it's a whole new offensive system, it would have been better to resign Lock and draft a rookie QB that would be under a rookie contract for the next four to five years...... Money wise.

The new coach must have a lot of faith in Geno's ability to learn a new offense.

Why waste the time on having an QB learning a new offense only to cut or trade him the following year?

Titus Pullo said:

Keeping Geno and not resigning a few decent players that will be free agents this year, is making even less sense the more I dig into the numbers.

it's a whole new offensive system, it would have been better to resign Lock and draft a rookie QB that would be under a rookie contract for the next four to five years...... Money wise.

The new coach must have a lot of faith in Geno's ability to learn a new offense.

Why waste the time on having an QB learning a new offense only to cut or trade him the following year?

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I agree with everything except lock, hard pass.

But yes, this isn't a discussion for me if geno was 28, but he's going to be 34, we had our ENTIRE program reset, the time to replace geno was now, not a skill issue,but like you said, money.

It honestly feels a lot like Schneider knows his seat is burning hot and protected himself since geno is going to play slightly above average football, instead of taking a risk and building for the future.

Going to be a particularly interesting draft

bigcc said:

I agree with everything except lock, hard pass.

But yes, this isn't a discussion for me if geno was 28, but he's going to be 34, we had our ENTIRE program reset, the time to replace geno was now, not a skill issue,but like you said, money.

It honestly feels a lot like Schneider knows his seat is burning hot and protected himself since geno is going to play slightly above average football, instead of taking a risk and building for the future.

Going to be a particularly interesting draft

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They would need to find a free agent QB that only requires 6 million a year and is under 30 but willing to be a backup QB next year. (2025)

Do you have anyone in mind that fits that description?

Titus Pullo said:

They would need to find a free agent QB that only requires 6 million a year and is under 30 but willing to be a backup QB next year. (2025)

Do you have anyone in mind that fits that description?

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Yes, a drafted qb, roll with two rookies and save a ton of cap room, and who knows maybe we get a russ/Flynn situation and the lower pick pops off.

Why would we need a 6 mil vet under 30?

Rookie qb at roughly one mil, use the five (?) extra to sign IOL,get a comp for lock.

Signing him for multiple years is such a terrible, terrible idea.

He's not accurate lmao he has no chance in Grubb's offense.

Say what you want about geno, he is exponentially a better fit than lock regardless of age, and I say this as someone who has been praying geno was moved.

bigcc said:

I agree with everything except lock, hard pass.

But yes, this isn't a discussion for me if geno was 28, but he's going to be 34, we had our ENTIRE program reset, the time to replace geno was now, not a skill issue,but like you said, money.

It honestly feels a lot like Schneider knows his seat is burning hot and protected himself since geno is going to play slightly above average football, instead of taking a risk and building for the future.

Going to be a particularly interesting draft.

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My take:

Cutting Geno would have saved essentially $13.8m against the cap this year. You'd still have to eat $17m in dead money regardless. So, is that amount worth it? When you still would have to sign a veteran replacement.

From that standpoint, I completely understand the rationale behind the move. Unless you think Drew is somehow a better QB?

It's my belief that the team would have moved on from Geno had it made more practical sense financially (Cap). Along with the prospect of already having a young guy under contract.

CactusJack said:

My take:

Cutting Geno would have saved essentially $13.8m against the cap this year. You'd still have to eat $17m in dead money regardless. So, is that amount worth it? When you still would have to sign a veteran replacement.

From that standpoint, I completely understand the rationale behind the move. Unless you think Drew is somehow a better QB?

It's my belief that the team would have moved on from Geno had it made more practical sense financially (Cap). Along with the prospect of already having a young guy under contract.

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It'd have been 22.5 THIS year in savings, 12.5 salary this year+ the 9.6 roster bonus and 200k workout bonus.

Also would have freed up 25 next offseason, but I expect us to still save that, but the 25 can be used in structuring leonards, or extending/restructuring contracts to free up immediate space. .

For geno, dead money is literally irrelevant, the decision was if he was worth 22.5 this year,dead cap is getting paid either way.

And no, lock is literally trash, and a drafted qb is HIGHLY unlikely to be better than Geno this year, but I'd rather have taken a down year to get high picks, reset the cap, and give a rookie qb some game experience.

Like I said, if geno was 28 this wouldn't be a discussion, but we reset the ENTIRE coaching staff, what's the point of sticking with geno for one, two years MAX while having to learn an entirely new offense

bigcc said:

It'd have been 22.5 THIS year in savings, 12.5 salary this year+ the 9.6 roster bonus and 200k workout bonus.

Also would have freed up 25 next offseason, but I expect us to still save that, but the 25 can be used in structuring leonards, or extending/restructuring contracts to free up immediate space. .

For geno, dead money is literally irrelevant, the decision was if he was worth 22.5 this year,dead cap is getting paid either way.

And no, lock is literally trash, and a drafted qb is HIGHLY unlikely to be better than Geno this year, but I'd rather have taken a down year to get high picks, reset the cap, and give a rookie qb some game experience.

Like I said, if geno was 28 this wouldn't be a discussion, but we reset the ENTIRE coaching staff, what's the point of sticking with geno for one, two years MAX while having to learn an entirely new offense

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I'm looking at it more from a cap perspective. But you're right about the Base Salary, roster bonuses, etc.

I would've preferred to keep him around just based on the dead money alone lol.

CactusJack said:

I'm looking at it more from a cap perspective. But you're right about the Base Salary, roster bonuses, etc.

I would've preferred to keep him around just based on the dead money alone lol.

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Meh, sunken cost fallacy going on there lol.

If he had a lengthy contract and the dead cap outweighed the savings that's one thing, but man you can do a lot with immediate 22.5 extra cap and 25 freed up the following year for Restructure/extensions..... End of the day it would have freed 30+ this year.

bigcc said:

Meh, sunken cost fallacy going on there lol.

If he had a lengthy contract and the dead cap outweighed the savings that's one thing, but man you can do a lot with immediate 22.5 extra cap and 25 freed up the following year for Restructure/extensions..... End of the day it would have freed 30+ this year.

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Fwiw I think Geno is definitely worth the $22m (salary). That's a bargain for a QB of his caliber. When you take a look at what other QB's are making.

Edit: $25m can still be freed up next year.

CactusJack said:

Fwiw I think Geno is definitely worth the $22m (salary). That's a bargain for a QB of his caliber. When you take a look at what other QB's are making.

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For talent and expected play this year, geno is absolutely the best option....

BUT, we have an entirely new staff/offense he has to learn, at 34 years old

When doing a franchise reset, I just don't understand keeping geno to fight this year when we could structurally get younger and have more room going forward to keep guys who will be here in two years (that's being generous, this is likely geno's last season)

bigcc said:

It'd have been 22.5 THIS year in savings, 12.5 salary this year+ the 9.6 roster bonus and 200k workout bonus.

Also would have freed up 25 next offseason, but I expect us to still save that, but the 25 can be used in structuring leonards, or extending/restructuring contracts to free up immediate space. .

For geno, dead money is literally irrelevant, the decision was if he was worth 22.5 this year,dead cap is getting paid either way.

And no, lock is literally trash, and a drafted qb is HIGHLY unlikely to be better than Geno this year, but I'd rather have taken a down year to get high picks, reset the cap, and give a rookie qb some game experience.

Like I said, if geno was 28 this wouldn't be a discussion, but we reset the ENTIRE coaching staff, what's the point of sticking with geno for one, two years MAX while having to learn an entirely new offense

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There are going to be two QBs on the roster.

1. Rookie QB
2. Who? Bennett, Minshew, Darnold, Geno?

Playing money ball like Tennessee is doing, wouldn't be so bad. Right now, they are like 70 million under the cap with a prototypical QB that is under a rookie contract for the next 3 years.

That could be us with one down season.

I would even be up to drafting a prototypical sized QB every 2 years and cutting them before their rookie contract expires.
I mean.....Once you know they have all the measurables then it's a matter of how their brain processes the defense.
We are bound to find a keeper eventually.

Titus pullio doing the math to convince himself of anything other than the obvious that Geno starts for the 2024 Seahawks

bigcc said:

For talent and expected play this year, geno is absolutely the best option....

BUT, we have an entirely new staff/offense he has to learn, at 34 years old

When doing a franchise reset, I just don't understand keeping geno to fight this year when we could structurally get younger and have more room going forward to keep guys who will be here in two years (that's being generous, this is likely geno's last season)

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What would you do with Lockett? Cut? Restructure? Status quo?

SonicHawk seeing Geno playing on TV.

DarkVictory23 said:

Me too, but I think they'll still want him to restructure to some degree.

I'd like something along the lines of maybe an extension with one real year and a void year, and just spread his cap hit across 4 seasons. This would be kicking some dead cap into the future, though, and generally speaking, Seahawks since Schneider has been here have mostly tried to avoid doing things like using void years compared to other teams.

(I might just be overly fond of Tyler, though, because I've always loved those scrappy WRs the Seahawks have had the past couple decades who were always that reliable 'get out of 3rd-down-jail free' card, like Doug and Bobby Engram, so this might actually be a terrible plan.)

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I'm cool with a restructure. I'm also probably overly fond of him. He still has the ability to find the open spots and convert 3rd downs for us. Another year or two would really be cool, then he can move on to his next career. And I just really hate the thought of seeing him in another uniform.

bigcc said:

A lot of that is going towards leonard.... Going to be let down if you think hawks are going big in FA

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Hopefully you’re right on Leonard. And I didn’t mean to imply expectations of any “big” signings; more so that there will be room a few subtle tweaks here and there.

Gawdammit...this better not make my cable bill go up ! ;(

Somebody on KIRO710 was talking about the whole Geno restructure deal yesterday, and mentioned that it's likely the reason they reduced Geno's cap hit this year and increased it next year is that cutting Jamal Adams will incur a bigger cap hit this year and a smaller one next year so this evens both hits out if (when) they cut Geno next year. Personally, I think Geno has learned enough new systems over the years that he can probably get by this year while the rest of the O learns it too. Then a new(er, like drafted this year?) QB can come in and run it like a well-oiled machine next year. It makes some sense, at least to me.