Grant Cohn is hilarious

[Marvin49]

Cohn's not wrong about De'Zhaun Stribling. Questionable pick at 33. Projected to go #90.

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Sigh.

I'm not rehashing this.

 

[Ostatehawk]

Yeah...he also drafted Kittle, Warner, Greenlaw, Purdy, Deebo, and a host of others along with trading for Trent Williams and CMC.

Ahhhhh - Superbowl champions every one of them.

 

[projectorfreak]

If Striblings game can make the transition to the bigs he might be good
He can block and isn’t afraid of contact ans seems to be able to catch just the media and their mocks leave a lot to be desired lol
But of course FTN and hope he sucks lol
GO HAWKS

 

[FrodosFinger]

Marv is cool. He's a good sport too.

Fudge packed

 

[bileever]

Sigh.

I'm not rehashing this.

Sorry if I missed an earlier discussion on this!

 

[FrodosFinger]

Sigh.

I'm not rehashing this.

Why not? Stribling was a horrible pick. Here I thought they were fixing to stack their O line with Bisontis at pick 33, instead they drafted a projected 3rd to 4th round receiver in Stribling. Crazy. Is he better than Pearsall, Danny Grey and or Dante Pettis? I'm not sure that he is

 

[glenwo2]

I'm not a Seahawks fan. Stands to reason people wouldn't "like" my posts.

Nonetheless, it's still impressive you managed 500+ likes for not being a fan.

 

[Seahawker]

If Striblings game can make the transition to the bigs he might be good
He can block and isn’t afraid of contact ans seems to be able to catch just the media and their mocks leave a lot to be desired lol
But of course FTN and hope he sucks lol
GO HAWKS

Stribling sounds like a good assignment for Julian Neal. Both ranked about at around 18 in both their respective positions, the 9ers took DS too high at 33, IMHO

 

[FrodosFinger]

Stribling sounds like a good assignment for Julian Neal. Both ranked about at around 18 in both their respective positions, the 9ers took DS too high at 33, IMHO

Dansby is a freak tbh

 

[Seahawker]

You knew Dansby had to have game/skills for John to take him with our last pick in the 7th after drafting two corners & a safety before him.
CB was one of the strengths of the draft and I feel real good about Bud & Julian.

 

[Marvin49]

Sorry if I missed an earlier discussion on this!

Nah....not here....just the internet in general. You didn't miss anything. I've fought that fight too many times...but I'll say it briefly again here.

People believe what they want to believe. Fans think there is such a thing as a consensus board. There really isn't. Teams value players differently based on their own opinions, schemes, player interviews, etc.

Shanahans (Senior and Junior) system has proliferated all over the league and many teams are now looking for the same things they are. They know that. Stribling was popular in those circles. If he goes 4-5 picks later (and ALOT of reporting has come out since that would suggest that) it wasn't a reach.

Bottom line it doesn't really matter. If he busts it'll be a bad pick. If he's good it was a good pick. I think we all need to take where we think players should go a bit less seriously.

We'll just have to see.

 

[Marvin49]

Nonetheless, it's still impressive you managed 500+ likes for not being a fan.

Ah.

Nah...I just say what I think and try to be fair. I try to be unbiased but lets be real, thats not really possible when it comes to the teams we love.

What I don't do is intentionally troll. That's probably earned me at least a little respect.

 

[bileever]

Nah....not here....just the internet in general. You didn't miss anything. I've fought that fight too many times...but I'll say it briefly again here.

People believe what they want to believe. Fans think there is such a thing as a consensus board. There really isn't. Teams value players differently based on their own opinions, schemes, player interviews, etc.

Shanahans (Senior and Junior) system has proliferated all over the league and many teams are now looking for the same things they are. They know that. Stribling was popular in those circles. If he goes 4-5 picks later (and ALOT of reporting has come out since that would suggest that) it wasn't a reach.

Bottom line it doesn't really matter. If he busts it'll be a bad pick. If he's good it was a good pick. I think we all need to take where we think players should go a bit less seriously.

We'll just have to see.

I agree. The consensus board made by a bunch of "experts" doesn't always reflect the thinking of the 32 GMs in the league. Stribling has size and speed, so I can see him becoming a good player.

But it's the measurables vs. production argument. Stribling wasn't even the top receiver at Ole Miss. Harrison Wallace was, but because Wallace ran a 4.5 40 and Stribling ran a 4.36, Stribling goes at 33 and Wallace goes undrafted.

 

[Marvin49]

I agree. The consensus board made by a bunch of "experts" doesn't always reflect the thinking of the 32 GMs in the league. Stribling has size and speed, so I can see him becoming a good player.

But it's the measurables vs. production argument. Stribling wasn't even the top receiver at Ole Miss. Harrison Wallace was, but because Wallace ran a 4.5 40 and Stribling ran a 4.36, Stribling goes at 33 and Wallace goes undrafted.

There is more to it that that RE Stribling vs Wallace.

1) Teams feared Stribling far more because of that speed and rolled coverages to him.
2) He didn't really start getting opportunities until later in the season when they saw what they had.

Put another way, in the last 5 games of the season, Wallace had 355 yards, 156 in one game. Stribling over same stretch 422 yards including a 122 yard game. The point is Wallace had alot of his yards early in the season and Stribling had them late.

The year prior, Wallace had 720 yards in 15 games at Penn State while Stribling had 882 in 12 (including 4 100 yards games) in 12 games at Oklahoma State.

Honestly, the Ole Miss stuff was less impressive to me than what he did at Oklahoma State anyway. He produced at 3 different Schools in 3 different systems (the NIL impact that seems prevalent these days).

Still...you aren't wrong RE Measurables vs Production. I'd say the speed shows up on tape tho which isn't always the case for guys who run fast at the combine.

Who knows what will happen, but I see the vision. I've been following draft long enough to know that nobody really knows how these picks will turn out.

 

[glenwo2]

There is more to it that that RE Stribling vs Wallace.

1) Teams feared Stribling far more because of that speed and rolled coverages to him.
2) He didn't really start getting opportunities until later in the season when they saw what they had.

Put another way, in the last 5 games of the season, Wallace had 355 yards, 156 in one game. Stribling over same stretch 422 yards including a 122 yard game. The point is Wallace had alot of his yards early in the season and Stribling had them late.

The year prior, Wallace had 720 yards in 15 games at Penn State while Stribling had 882 in 12 (including 4 100 yards games) in 12 games at Oklahoma State.

Honestly, the Ole Miss stuff was less impressive to me than what he did at Oklahoma State anyway. He produced at 3 different Schools in 3 different systems (the NIL impact that seems prevalent these days).

Still...you aren't wrong RE Measurables vs Production. I'd say the speed shows up on tape tho which isn't always the case for guys who run fast at the combine.

Who knows what will happen, but I see the vision. I've been following draft long enough to know that nobody really knows how these picks will turn out.

I just want to point out that while where he was selected in the draft was an eyebrow-raiser, his talent is undeniable.

Maybe he can be the new Aiyuk (without being a pain in the ass)?

 

[Marvin49]

I just want to point out that while where he was selected in the draft was an eyebrow-raiser, his talent is undeniable.

Maybe he can be the new Aiyuk (without being a pain in the ass)?

No question it raised eyebrows, as did selecting Black in the 3rd.

I can't sit here and say I wasn't surprised about those picks because I was but aseems to make more sense after reporting after the draft.

How much of that is BS trying to defend the pick and how much of it is real that those players were viewed more highly by teams than media...who really knows.

I just can't wait to see them on the field.

 

[FrodosFinger]

No question it raised eyebrows, as did selecting Black in the 3rd.

I can't sit here and say I wasn't surprised about those picks because I was but aseems to make more sense after reporting after the draft.

How much of that is BS trying to defend the pick and how much of it is real that those players were viewed more highly by teams than media...who really knows.

I just can't wait to see them on the field.

Stribling could be decent if he can learn how to work a very limited route tree because he can't cut out of routes and doesn't stop and go at all. Kaelon Black would be on the practice squad for us because he was already considered lower echelon like a UDFA type but for whatever reason y'all spent a third round pick on him. Could've drafted Jonah Coleman or Mike Washington Jr. Mike Evans was obviously your best addition of the off-season and should provide for a good red zone target but your entire starting O line got absolutely manhandled by the Hawks front. And you didn't address the O line at all which was strange considering how badly they got bullied in the playoffs and week 18 by the Hawks D line. I mean we kicked the living shit out of the Niners my dude.

 

[bileever]

No question it raised eyebrows, as did selecting Black in the 3rd.

I can't sit here and say I wasn't surprised about those picks because I was but aseems to make more sense after reporting after the draft.

How much of that is BS trying to defend the pick and how much of it is real that those players were viewed more highly by teams than media...who really knows.

I just can't wait to see them on the field.

I heard Pat Kirwan on NFL radio being very excited about Kaelon Black. He had over a thousand yards rushing and a 5.6 yard average last year. I think people were surprised because he was 180 on the consensus big board and the 49ers took him at 90.

I like his punishing, bowling ball style of running. People criticize him for his lack of elusiveness, but I actually saw him move laterally very well and fake out defenders with some nifty moves. And he's not just strong (27 reps on the bench press!!), he's very fast.

But he doesn't seem like a Shanahan type of running back in that he doesn't catch the ball very well.

I have the same questions about him that I have about Fernando Mendoza. Is he the beneficiary of having played on a very good Indiana team and Curt Cignetti's system?

 

[94Smith]

And you didn't address the O line at all which was strange considering how badly they got bullied in the playoffs and week 18 by the Hawks D line. I mean we kicked the living shit out of the Niners my dude.

Frodo , Williams was injured and out week 18. Austin pleasants started at LT. LG Spencer burford was terrible and has been let go . FA Brett Toth or draftee Carver Willis will start at LG

Puni played the whole season injured

And don’t even get me started on th playoff game. It was a foregone conclusion for a loss coming into Seattle . 6 days rest for the 49ers after a playoff game against 2 weeks for seattle

The 49ers lost week 18 because their defense couldn’t stop the run and get off the field. This won’t be the same defense with Mykel Williams, Bosa , OSA, Dre greenlaw and Fred Warner. 24 ranked defense last year

 

[94Smith]

But he doesn't seem like a Shanahan type of running back in that he doesn't catch the ball

Not being used to catch the ball and being able to catch the ball are completely different . He had 8 receptions at Indiana in 2 years . He had 44 in two years at JMU

Apparently he was running great routes in the senior bowl practices which is what sold the 49ers along with the tape from James Madison