Trader John wants more picks

[SoulfishHawk]

If he can drop down 5-10 spots and get an extra pick, so be it. He'll probably still get one of the guys on his board.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

If and big if this is true it will be due to the one thing that stands out about John.

He grades players differently, don't believe the Mediots and so call Spurts, if he and Mac see niche value of a player or players graded low by the who he thinks is interested he may pull this trade back off. We need to get a few players to challenge to start for sure, but depth is what hurts you as a Champion team, you lose a lot of it as teams want the attitude and the leadership from a champion as well as the pilfer of high end players if they can get them, looking at you Walker who is now considered the worst signing this season.

For this to happen a team with picks to burn and wants a specific player will have to offer something somewhat enticing.

That type of player is one teams want a 5th year option on like a QB,WR,CB,DE,LT mostly.

Good points. I love listening to his weekly show on 710 ESPN. He doesn't care what other teams do. He wants to do what is best for THIS team. Look how many times over the years he has picked a guy and many of us are like "who?"
Only to see that player become a contributor. He does his best work between rounds 2 and 5, imo. So, if they do trade down, I'm good with it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It would be really disappointing if he failed to make a trade simply because he didn't feel he was getting enough value, which is an excuse he's made more than once.
The Hawks need more young talent. I'd gladly trade #32 for a 2nd and 3rd. Two chances to add real talent.

Would LOVE them to get a 2nd and 3rd for pick 32. Right in his wheelhouse, imo.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

It has been seven years since John traded down in the first round, and 9 since he traded out of the first round entirely, so some degree of skepticism about this being his current MO is reasonable.

I do think that any team with only four picks would be looking to trade the least valuable 1st round pick for a couple of later round picks, so it’s a reasonable expectation, if he can find a trade partner.

He trades back as much or more than anyone. Every year he is always talking about accumulating more picks if the price is right. Sometimes the right guy will fall into their lap s they stand pat but he has made it no secret he wants to trade back and accumulate more picks..

This year he has even said he wants to trade back for picks for next year on one of his shows as next year will likely be regarded as a much stronger draft class than this one.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He hasn't traded back in the 1st round since 2019. Kind of a trip, because it feels like he always does

 

[sutz]

He hasn't traded back in the 1st round since 2019. Kind of a trip, because it feels like he always does

Thing is, he rarely telegraphs what he's gonna do. He keeps it close to the vest until draft day. Recent trends aside, I know he wants more than 4 players out of this draft, so trading out of the first makes sense to me.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. Hoping Ty Simpson somehow falls. Very good chance a team would want to swoop him up and get that 5th year option.
Cards make a lot of sense, though I wouldn't be surprised if they trade up to a spot before 32. Jets also needing a QB.......as usual

 

[oldhawkfan]

No doubt. Hoping Ty Simpson somehow falls. Very good chance a team would want to swoop him up and get that 5th year option.
Cards make a lot of sense, though I wouldn't be surprised if they trade up to a spot before 32. Jets also needing a QB.......as usual

Why would the Jets need a QB? Don’t they have Jetsno?!

 

[Seahawkfan80]

No doubt. Hoping Ty Simpson somehow falls. Very good chance a team would want to swoop him up and get that 5th year option.
Cards make a lot of sense, though I wouldn't be surprised if they trade up to a spot before 32. Jets also needing a QB.......as usual

But but but, they Got GeNO.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

The reason John has given for trading back in the draft when he did it more often than not was that they had a certain number of players with first round grades and if they were gone he wanted to trade back. In a draft said to be week it's more than likely there won't one of their first round evaluated guys there at 32.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

But but but, they Got GeNO.

Championship!

 

[Trackhawk]

He trades back as much or more than anyone. Every year he is always talking about accumulating more picks if the price is right. Sometimes the right guy will fall into their lap s they stand pat but he has made it no secret he wants to trade back and accumulate more picks..

This year he has even said he wants to trade back for picks for next year on one of his shows as next year will likely be regarded as a much stronger draft class than this one.

Point being, of all the reasons to expect the Hawks to trade down, “John’s MO” is not one of the stronger ones, given his recent history of staying pat.

What GM, with only four picks, wouldn’t be looking to deal the worst pick of the first round for more picks?

 

[Seahawker]

The NFL has cut the time between first round picks from 10 minutes to 8. I wonder if that's going to effect John's ability to wrangle trades?
Maybe just means more phones going?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I hadn't heard about that, good stuff. 1st round takes way too long, imo.

 

[chrispy]

Personally...I don't buy it.

His 1st round picks have been killers (lately, and with only a couple exceptions historically). He never shows his cards, but this year it's all he talks about. We know his scouts study other teams' needs to predict their targets.

He's (potentially) discouraging high 2nd round teams from moving up to get one of his 1st round graded targets. Or he's trying to make it seem a target will be there after the 32nd pick that a team ahead of him might want. It may not work, but I just don't see the secretive, paranoid, strategic JS of the past simply blabbing his intentions for no reason. He's the Exec of the Year. He may just be saying the opposite of his intentions to muddy things up next year. He's playing chess, they're playing checkers, and we're not even in the building....

 

[oldhawkfan]

I hadn't heard about that, good stuff. 1st round takes way too long, imo.

Yes it does take a long time. 10
Minutes was still better than when each pick was 15 minutes. Those 1st rounds took a loooong time to get through. 8 minutes is gonna make this 1st round seem like a sprint over the old marathon ways.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I hadn't heard about that, good stuff. 1st round takes way too long, imo.

Not if you ask Mike Tice and the Vikings

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

A lot of draft picks account for nothing if they don’t work out. I’d rather hit on 4 players with 4 picks only than something like 9 picks and 1 hit only.

Remember, LJ Collier? He was drafted the same year as Metcalf. In that year, Metcalf, is the only player that has made an impact in the NFL. All the other picks (10 total Seahawks picks) are out of the league and/or depth players.

 

[Seahawker]

I guess it will fit more neatly into a 3 hour block.
It will create a longer backlog of picks as the TV show catches up with the selection process.
That happens every year , beyond the pick that has been announced, other picks often have already been made. There are occasions when the next 2-3 picks are already in.
The shrinking of the time is all about giving the league more flexibility to move at the desired pace from start to finish.
The consequence could be even more picks in the logjam while the TV show catches up.

I'm wondering if this could help John having a better picture of what players are on/off the Seahawks draft board and giving a clearer signal to teams wanting to trade up if their man is likely to be there
It's all about having a sharp, quick thinking war-room.
I always love it when a team picks very quickly, but I guess that could just be a team that's had their pick in for 20some minutes.
Was it the Vikings that didn't get their pick in and got leapfrogged? lol

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I guess it will fit more neatly into a 3 hour block.
It will create a longer backlog of picks as the TV show catches up with the selection process.
That happens every year , beyond the pick that has been announced, other picks often have already been made. There are occasions when the next 2-3 picks are already in.
The shrinking of the time is all about giving the league more flexibility to move at the desired pace from start to finish.
The consequence could be even more picks in the logjam while the TV show catches up.

I'm wondering if this could help John having a better picture of what players are on/off the Seahawks draft board and giving a clearer signal to teams wanting to trade up if their man is likely to be there
It's all about having a sharp, quick thinking war-room.
I always love it when a team picks very quickly, but I guess that could just be a team that's had their pick in for 20some minutes.
Was it the Vikings that didn't get their pick in and got leapfrogged? lol

Yes the Vikings, twice. Back to back years.

I think the NFL is just looking for new ways to guarantee they are on commercial break when the Seahawks pick. Not that they ever had an issue with that to begin with.