Seahawks hiring Brian Fleury as OC

[RolandDeschain]

Well maybe don't be a Florida dipshit and skim over the fact that OC is a very important component and it's the single reason why the Eagles fell off. It's ok to be wary and pessimistic about a hire, even though I personally approve of the hire

Of course it's important. No regular can possibly predict if it's actually a good hire or not, let's see what happens with him first, is my point.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Yes, because offensive coordinator angst in a year involving a repeated Super Bowl attempt has never, EVER been a thing in this fan base.

My point is a good portion of this fan base will gain angst over ANYTHING no matter what, and it's an annoying trait, lol.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Internet Rule #127: Any time you have to say some variant of "my point was" to more than one poster, you've lost the argument.

 

[glenwo2]

We just won the ****ing Super Bowl, we're in great cap position, and the future looks rosy AF, but still we have a bunch of Eeyores around here who can't help but be pessimistic. Jesus, this place has too many Seattle/PNW snowflake personalities.

Well maybe don't be a Florida dipshit and skim over the fact that OC is a very important component and it's the single reason why the Eagles fell off. It's ok to be wary and pessimistic about a hire, even though I personally approve of the hire

 

[themunn]

Nothing wrong with questioning the move. Considering that we just won the Super Bowl you would think that we would be able to attract a proven commodity with play calling experience. There's no guarantee he'll fail, but we're more likely to say "we didn't repeat as champions because of our O coordinator" than we are to say "we repeated with a great O coordinator hire." The risk-reward just seems a bit off considering we are Super Bowl champions.

If nobody was allowed to hire before the superbowl was over then yeah maybe we could get a Mike McDaniel on the staff, but the proven commodities are gone and we are Superbowl champions. No team is going to let their current O-Coordinator walk so you're left with either: former O-Coordinators and "proven commodities" who are currently unemployed (why?), college coaches (can't always make the step up to the pros) or position coaches. We announced the hire of Kubiak on the same day as the NFC Championship last year - if we had had to wait until mid-February he would almost certainly not have been available to us then. It's rare that quality coaches are still available after the Superbowl. Given that Mike McDaniel, Mike Lafleur and Klint Kubiak were all former Shanahan assistants, I think it bodes well that we may have gotten another great one.

Which proven commodity would you take instead?

 

[Jac]

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That's a little disingenuous. Shanahan insists on exclusively running McCaffrey, and he doesn't have the burst any more to break one off or take it outside. And the inside of their line is considered a weakness. Despite that, he got 1200 yards.

 

[Jac]

Even though lack of playcalling experience is an unknown, compare this offseason to last. The offensive staff we're retaining, the entire offensive personnel, and most importantly our QB has had a full (SB winning) season in this offense. Last year, they had to install it from scratch with a new QB to boot. The unknown that we're adding is a former college QB who worked for Shanahan for seven years. They have the time and the film to hone in on what works best vs. just trying to teach it.

All they need to produce is a good offense to complement the great defense. And if it doesn't work, we're still SB LX champions and can try again the following season. But I trust MM and suspect this is going to work. I mean this is the outsider that he targeted for interview and hired him the next day. He sees or knows something.

 

[Tusc2000]

The alternative to a Fleury would have been to hire an "experienced" OC (or former HC), at which point you're looking at retreads like Arthur Smith or Brian Daboll, and I don't think that type would work here at all. I don't think anyone knows how Fleury will do, there are likely to be some growing pains. Hopefully the offensive staff will largely remain intact, that's a TBD which will reveal itself soon.

 

[Grahamhawker]

That's where I'm at. Realistically none of us know jack shit about how the interviews went and how good he really is

Exactly. We can banter it all day, but this is the reality. None of us know how this is likely to turn out. With the resources the team has available there had to be some compelling reasons behind this hiring.

 

[Nv_Hawks]

I forgot about this connection Eric Saubert played for SF.

 

[whidbeast]

One thing I really like about Mike is that if something clearly isn't working he'll act and act quickly.

 

[James in PA]

Supposedly a sticker for details. Sounds like a MM type of guy. He must have really blown Mike away if Mike was leaning towards an in house candidate. Sticking with the Shanny/Kubiak tree too and hurting a division rival in the process. Sounds good to me.

 

[jammerhawk]

The team has some very valuable and positively developing pieces of its O on the roster already in Barner, Arroyo and Saubert. Turning that group into featured pieces of the O along with a running game, JSN, Krupp, and Shaheed seems to be the direction hoped to achieve. Coach Fleury ‘been around’ and has been promoted within the 9ers organization, as well he’d attracted attention from the Patriots. To me seems like a sneaky good sleeper pick for OC.

Here I have faith in MM and JS in making this decision which will of course be questioned here by some and is somewhat curious and a direction change. The change though was forced by team success but certainly adds an experienced coach from a system wished to be emulated. If systemically both of Burner and Arroyo can be developed into the genuine talents they are thought to be by a greater TE focus or simply solid positional coaching the Hawks O will be fun to watch this coming season.

As with every new coach most here have their biases and views and may of course be looking for reason to grumble and I’m certain those voices of negativity will be raised. Every new coach needs to start somewhere. Keep the faith as success brings change, and our in house FO and present staff are good at managing that change.

 

[BASF]

Picture it... Philadelphia, 1999. On a burgeoning internet, Eagles website there were more than likely dozens of fans questioning why would their team (who had only won nine games in the past two seasons) bring in a guy who started as a TE coach and had never called plays for the Packers to run their team and control their offense. That turned out pretty well with one of the best offensive minds in the history of football who led his Eagles team to five straight playoffs, four straight being Conference Championships and one Super Bowl loss. Oh yeah, he has also won three Super Bowls and had his team in two others. The reason the Eagles hired him? He killed the interview and was highly recommended by the people he had coached with and players who had played under him.

 

[HomerJHawk]

...Fleury HAD to impress in his interview and likely specifically gave them some comfort when answering questions about scheme or how he would build an attack and adjust to various defensive strategies in-game.

And I'd wager that he probably understands McVay's style, being a TE savant.

Can't wait to see how it all plays out!

 

[TwilightError]

Well, an underwhelming hire was inevitable. The top candidates were gone as we “had to wait post Super Bowl”. If it doesn’t work, next year we can have a go at the top candidates.

But hopefully it works. I like the system continuation. No experience in playcalling is a bit suspect.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Internet Rule #127: Any time you have to say some variant of "my point was" to more than one poster, you've lost the argument.

While an amusing anecdote, I've found a significant portion of those situations to be someone not using the gray matter between their ears appropriately instead, which is rather different than "losing an argument".

 

[Sperrydogg]

Honestly, we underused our tight ends, and we carried two fullbacks all year… maybe we needed our te for blocking, but I almost forgot Arroyo was on the team. He seemed to be sitting with Milroe. Hopefully Fleury can make us more tight end efficient cause we can run and we can throw.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Kubiak was an underwhelming hire as well to many if I recall

 

[Trackhawk]

It's quite puzzling to see people clamoring for bringing up Janocko or Benton, while also decrying Fleury's lack of play calling experience.

Neither Janocko, nor Benton, have play calling experience either.