Numbers that matter.

[ivotuk]

Rams offense didn't okay that well

Rush average per attempt: 3.2

Stafford's completion % 59

Seahawks rush average: 6.8

Darnold's completion % 65

Rams punt average: 39 yards

Seattle's punt average; 48 yards

1 Seattle turnover led to Rams 7 points from 1st and goal.

2 Seattle turnovers ended TD drives in the red zone.

This game shouldn't have been close, but turnovers almost did us in.

 

[ivotuk]

At the beginning of the game, McVay looked nervous and jumpy.

 

[Bobblehead]

At the beginning of the game, McVay looked nervous and jumpy.

kinda how he looked at the end of the game.

 

[glenwo2]

Makes me wonder if he was on some drugs.

 

[JPatera76]

Makes me wonder if he was on some drugs.

Cocaine and copium. … aside from Roids. Cuz the dudes face is a little sucked in and pocked. Not enough for drugs tho imo. But def enough of for steroids

 

[Jegpeg]

This game shouldn't have been close, but turnovers almost did us in.

Ball security has been an issue all season, we have 26 giveaways only us and the Vikings have had more than 22.

The Rams Kryptonite all seaason has been special teams, if it wasn't for the missed FG and the Punt return TD they would have won comfortably. That has cost Chase Blackburn his job.
https://www.nfl.com/news/rams-fire-...tor-chase-blackburn-after-ot-loss-to-seahawks

I think point differential is a good indicator of team strength, based on that we (+164) and the Rams (+158) are the best teams in the league by a significant margin (Pats 3rd +110). The game itself was a real nailbiter and if buts and maybes could have made it comfortable for either team.

 

[BDD222]

Ball security has been an issue all season, we have 26 giveaways only us and the Vikings have had more than 22.

The Rams Kryptonite all seaason has been special teams, if it wasn't for the missed FG and the Punt return TD they would have won comfortably. That has cost Chase Blackburn his job.
https://www.nfl.com/news/rams-fire-...tor-chase-blackburn-after-ot-loss-to-seahawks

I think point differential is a good indicator of team strength, based on that we (+164) and the Rams (+158) are the best teams in the league by a significant margin (Pats 3rd +110). The game itself was a real nailbiter and if buts and maybes could have made it comfortable for either team.

Weird to me that you can say we take away a couple of bad plays by the Rams that they would have won comfortably. Could the same not be said about our 3 mistakes costing 1 TD and 2 redzone turnovers taking points from us? Would we have not won comfortably?

Assuming no mistakes, Rams score 23 and we get a TD from the 1 and at least a FG after the Kupp fumble. 38-23 Seahawks. Rams mistakes were controllable and so were the Seahawks. Your logic should be applied the same.

 

[Jegpeg]

Weird to me that you can say we take away a couple of bad plays by the Rams that they would have won comfortably. Could the same not be said about our 3 mistakes costing 1 TD and 2 redzone turnovers taking points from us? Would we have not won comfortably?

Assuming no mistakes, Rams score 23 and we get a TD from the 1 and at least a FG after the Kupp fumble. 38-23 Seahawks. Rams mistakes were controllable and so were the Seahawks. Your logic should be applied the same.

I am saying take away a couple of bad plays from either side and the game would have been a comfortable win on either side.
I was responding to ivotuk who said remove a few of our bad plays and it wouldn't have been close by pointing out the converse was also true.

I do admit the Seahawks turnover issues cost them 18 or 22 points (depend on whether we got a FG or TD following Kupp not fumbling lets say 20 if we had a 50% chance of converting) while the Rams special teams errors only cost them 11, but there is no such thing as mistake free football, on average a team commits about 1.25 turnovers so compared to an average level of turnovers our mistakes cost about 11.7 points (if each error had a 1.25/3 chance of happening for an average team). There have been 635 punt returns this season with 7 returned for a TD, so with 4 punts the Rams would have expected to concede 0.04 TDs (.28 points), they had 4 Fg attempts two chip shots with an almost 100% chance of making, a 41 yard attempt which an average kicker would get about 80% of the time and the missed 48 yard attemt which the average kicker would get about 75% of the time so if the average kicker would miss 0.5 of those their special teams cost them 10.2 points compared to average.

So out turnovers cost us 11.7 points compared to average and their special teams cost them 10.2 so not very much in it. You could also look at other errors outside thos two areas and come up with something else.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

4 plays that went our way and a ref's gift won us the game, period.

Really? 2-2 point conversions, and the refs going out of their way to have our backs? Really? Missed chip shot field goal? Really? And the punt return, which while not crazy, is another play that you can't count on. Coming back from yet the latest hole that KK digs us in the first half? Really?

Love our record. But.

Oh yea, and **** McVay. That is all.

 

[JPatera76]

4 plays that went our way and a ref's gift won us the game, period.

Really? 2-2 point conversions, and the refs going out of their way to have our backs? Really? Missed chip shot field goal? Really? And the punt return, which while not crazy, is another play that you can't count on. Coming back from yet the latest hole that KK digs us in the first half? Really?

Love our record. But.

Oh yea, and **** McVay. That is all.

Get out with that bullshit. You sound like McVay "a refs gift" what gift??? jfc

"love out record but" yeah okay BUT what finish what you were saying.

 

[hawker84]

Defense gave up a franchise record in yards to the Rams.

450 yards in the air. Puca had his best night as a pro. Which is weird because you'd think he would be the one player the defensive game plan would be focused on, especially with Adams out.
Still can't cover tight ends or backs....
Safeties making way too many tackles
On running plays.

The defense stunk up the joint the majority of the game, except when the Rams went up by two scores and took their foot off the gas and starting running heavily. Sucks for them.

Let's not sugar coat it. The Rams took it to us on offense. Stafford all but solidified his MVP status. Puca made Jobe and Woolen look like high school players. Not to mention the worst safety play I've seen this year between Love and Bryant.

Numbers are great, a win is a win, and all, but the defense had its poorest showing of the season by far Thursday. And if they meet these guys again in the post season, that ship has got to be righted.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Say what you wish, but the 2 point conversion ref confab/callback - 99.999999 times out of 100 with us, usually goes the way of the Lions call. Every time. The only other call that went our way almost as much that I can remember was the fail mary, and even that was a call that didn't get 'called back' or reversed. Not the UFO like frequency of the entire officiating crew huddling to make the right call for us - going to the mat to get it 'right' - tell me, 'when' does that happen? That's why I think it was a gift. Not in the whiny I'd like to punch him in the face McVay way.

Also doesn't change the fact that we're starting slow since the first Rams game, and unfortunately, I believe that will bite us in the ass in the playoffs. I hope it doesn't.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Defense gave up a franchise record in yards to the Rams.

450 yards in the air. Puca had his best night as a pro. Which is weird because you'd think he would be the one player the defensive game plan would be focused on, especially with Adams out.
Still can't cover tight ends or backs....
Safeties making way too many tackles
On running plays.

The defense stunk up the joint the majority of the game, except when the Rams went up by two scores and took their foot off the gas and starting running heavily. Sucks for them.

Let's not sugar coat it. The Rams took it to us on offense. Stafford all but solidified his MVP status. Puca made Jobe and Woolen look like high school players. Not to mention the worst safety play I've seen this year.

Numbers are great, a win is a win, and all. But the defense had its poorest showing of the season ny far Thursday. And if they meet these guys again in the post season, that ship has got to be righted.

Yup.

Getting a little tired of being a pariah (or in the pariah crowd) by pointing out that while, I'm a hawks fan, and have been for some time, and I'm glad that we have the record that we have - that we have some issues. I like the "Let's not sugar coat it" line. I'm gonna use that

Go Hawks! But to deny our obvious warts and some gifts and some games that we probably shouldn't have won lately is a bit disingenuous.

Best receiver in the league doesn't get a target until 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter recently? That's the kinda shit I'm talking about. But that makes me the asshole I guess......

 

[hawker84]

Yup.

Getting a little tired of being a pariah (or in the pariah crowd) by pointing out that while, I'm a hawks fan, and have been for some time, and I'm glad that we have the record that we have - that we have some issues. I like the "Let's not sugar coat it" line. I'm gonna use that

Go Hawks! But to deny our obvious warts and some gifts and some games that we probably shouldn't have won lately is a bit disingenuous.

Best receiver in the league doesn't get a target until 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter recently? That's the kinda shit I'm talking about. But that makes me the asshole I guess......

I hear ya. Stand your ground and bring receipts. Some folks don't understand it's ok to be critical of your team at times and still be a die hard fan. That's the times we live in these days.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Yup.

Getting a little tired of being a pariah (or in the pariah crowd) by pointing out that while, I'm a hawks fan, and have been for some time, and I'm glad that we have the record that we have - that we have some issues. I like the "Let's not sugar coat it" line.

But that makes me the asshole I guess......

Yes, yes it appears to do just that.

You seem to take such a pessimistic perspective, overstate the warts and understate the upside, that it's difficult to defend. That's unreasonable, illogical, and worth calling out, at least by those who disagree.

But you're probably used to that by now.

 

[BDD222]

I am saying take away a couple of bad plays from either side and the game would have been a comfortable win on either side.
I was responding to ivotuk who said remove a few of our bad plays and it wouldn't have been close by pointing out the converse was also true.

I do admit the Seahawks turnover issues cost them 18 or 22 points (depend on whether we got a FG or TD following Kupp not fumbling lets say 20 if we had a 50% chance of converting) while the Rams special teams errors only cost them 11, but there is no such thing as mistake free football, on average a team commits about 1.25 turnovers so compared to an average level of turnovers our mistakes cost about 11.7 points (if each error had a 1.25/3 chance of happening for an average team). There have been 635 punt returns this season with 7 returned for a TD, so with 4 punts the Rams would have expected to concede 0.04 TDs (.28 points), they had 4 Fg attempts two chip shots with an almost 100% chance of making, a 41 yard attempt which an average kicker would get about 80% of the time and the missed 48 yard attemt which the average kicker would get about 75% of the time so if the average kicker would miss 0.5 of those their special teams cost them 10.2 points compared to average.

So out turnovers cost us 11.7 points compared to average and their special teams cost them 10.2 so not very much in it. You could also look at other errors outside thos two areas and come up with something else.

Take into account that I believe the Rams have given up around 2 additional TD returns on special teams that were nullified by penalties and that portion of theor team has cost them a few times this year. Likely why the Coordinator was termed. It wasn't just this one game.

 

[trharder]

At the beginning of the game, McVay looked nervous and jumpy.

Does he ever not?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Defense gave up a franchise record in yards to the Rams.

450 yards in the air. Puca had his best night as a pro. Which is weird because you'd think he would be the one player the defensive game plan would be focused on, especially with Adams out.
Still can't cover tight ends or backs....
Safeties making way too many tackles
On running plays.

The defense stunk up the joint the majority of the game, except when the Rams went up by two scores and took their foot off the gas and starting running heavily. Sucks for them.

Let's not sugar coat it. The Rams took it to us on offense. Stafford all but solidified his MVP status. Puca made Jobe and Woolen look like high school players. Not to mention the worst safety play I've seen this year between Love and Bryant.

Numbers are great, a win is a win, and all, but the defense had its poorest showing of the season by far Thursday. And if they meet these guys again in the post season, that ship has got to be righted.

Um, the total numbers for both games are identical. Down to ONE point and ONE yard total for each team. A split is perfect for how these teams played. You're making WAY too much out of how a WIN looked. How about not ignoring the FACT that the Clams went 5 STRAIGHT DRIVES without a score in the 4th Quarter? Including 3 STRAIGHT 3 AND OUTS. And why are you glossing over the FACT that the Hawks had 3 STARTERS ON DEFENSE out DURING THAT GAME. But hey, do you. Just more WHINING about a win. Typical. Go Hawks

I mean, 12-3 really does suck

 

[ivotuk]

The Punt Return wasn't any kind of gift. Check out All 22's video on that. Jay Harbaugh set that return up Perfectly!
The Ref's call was NOT a gift, it was the Referees following the rules. It's been explained in other threads so I won't go over it again.
The defense had trouble, against the Best Offensive mind in the game, who's QB is likely the MVP, and who's WR makes EVERY TEAM in the nfl look bad.

I think some people are upset that we didn't win comfortably, and want to find something to complain about.
The NFL is a league of parity, where head coaches, QBs, and facilities make all the difference for a team.
John Schneider has been pulling herds of rabbits out of his hat lately, including grabbing us the winningest QB in the NFL for 2024, and 2025.

Just prior to, and since Jody wisely cut Pete, we've traded away Russ for a King's ransom, gotten Charles Cross, Grey Zabel, Sundell, Abe Lucas, Demarcus Lawrence, Riq Woolen, Uchena, Boye Mafe, Byron, Leo, Jarran, Spoon, Jordan Love, Coby Bryant, and scrubs off the scrap heap that have performed like high round draft picks (Drake Thomas, Okada), Kenneth Walker, Zachwards Charbonet, Ouzts, JSN, Cooooop, AJ Barner and his fun celebration, Saubert..OMG

And look at who we've gotten rid of. Some we loved, some we didn't, but they were past their expiration date.

So cheer up 'Hawks fans, parity is the name of the game, in the future, no one will remember most of the s scores in these games, (Who remembers the score differential from 2013?) and we're the #1 seed in the NFC>

 

[ivotuk]

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