Pete is delusional

[seabowl]

Pete Carroll says he's processing Raiders' 1-4 start 'poorly'

Pete Carroll expected to win right away with the Raiders, but instead Las Vegas is 1-4, and the coach said he's processing that fact "poorly."

www.espn.com

This is exactly what Pete was like towards the end of his tenure with Seattle. Completely delusional on the reality of the situation. I love Pete but time for him to hang it up.

 

[Shane Falco]

From that article:

Smith's nine interceptions are the most by any Raiders quarterback in the team's first five games of a season since Jim Plunkett in 1982 (nine). The last quarterback to record nine picks in their team's first five games was Zach Wilson for the New York Jets in 2021 (also nine).

And it's not like the Raiders have had a long list of great QB's since Plunkett.

 

[irfuben32]

Pete needs Marshawn Lynch and the LOB to cover up his shortcomings

 

[MoldyPurpleMayo]

I love Pete but time for him to hang it up.

But not before giving us a 2nd round pick for Woolen.

I know it's not going to happen, stop raining on my fantasies.

 

[Vesuve]

I just watched a snippet of Pete's post game presser:

He doesn't want to bench Geno because:

"We need to stay out there and keep practicing. We need to keep practicing, we need the reps.

--WTF?

Does anyone else follow Wifi Willie occasionally?

 

[seabowl]

‘Geno Smith Is Absolutely Terrible’ – Calls Mount for Raiders To Bench $75M QB After Major Mistakes vs. Colts

Raiders devastating defeat leads fans to breaking point, calling for benching of 12th year quarterback

www.profootballnetwork.com

Manny calling for Genos benching

 

[SoulfishHawk]

ge9pick

 

[RiverDog]

Pete Carroll says he's processing Raiders' 1-4 start 'poorly'

Pete Carroll expected to win right away with the Raiders, but instead Las Vegas is 1-4, and the coach said he's processing that fact "poorly."

www.espn.com

This is exactly what Pete was like towards the end of his tenure with Seattle. Completely delusional on the reality of the situation. I love Pete but time for him to hang it up.

I agree completely with the OP. That's one of the reasons why we made so many bad trades, such as the Jamal Adams trade, because Pete was in denial, kept thinking that he was one or two players away from a championship when the reality was that he needed to blow up the team and start over.

I'm no psychiatrist, but I do think that part of Pete's problem is his mottos, ie "win forever." He lives and breathes it. He can't handle the fact that 95% of most teams are going to wax and wane, so he denies that his team is mediocre at best, keeps thinking that if he can just catch a break here or there, that he'll be hoisting another Lombardi.

The other thing might be age related. Pete's 74 years old, and I'm just 3 years younger than he is so I think I can speak with some degree of credibility on the issue. Some people my age are afraid to retire, that it's a signal that death is approaching.

I can remember Bobby Bowden, legendary FSU coach answering questions about his working well past normal retirement saying: "When you retire, there's just one more big event left in your life, and I'm not looking forward to that."

The other part of Pete's problem is that Pete's too loyal to former players and family members. It's why he traded for Geno, brought back a failed safety in Jamal Adams, hired two of his sons on his coaching staff.

I'll always be grateful to Pete for giving us the best period of Seahawk football in franchise history. But his best days are clearly in the rear-view mirror. If he gets fired from this job, he will have been fired in all 4 of his NFL head coaching jobs.

 

[AnimeAmore]

Pete Carroll says he's processing Raiders' 1-4 start 'poorly'

Pete Carroll expected to win right away with the Raiders, but instead Las Vegas is 1-4, and the coach said he's processing that fact "poorly."

www.espn.com

This is exactly what Pete was like towards the end of his tenure with Seattle. Completely delusional on the reality of the situation. I love Pete but time for him to hang it up.

His main issue is that he wants to be positive even when there is no real justification. His personal philosophy might work great on an individual basis where that individual has more control of things and can reap benefits, but when your success is dependent on other people and those people are failing then it's time to address that.
Pete simply doesn't know how to discipline people. He doesn't know how to operate a locker room that isn't based around positivity. That was his main problem towards the end of his seahawks tenure. He just doesn't have it in him.
If Geno gets cut after the season I have to imagine Pete will be fired. At 74 he is simply too old to develop a young QB, and that was already true at the end of his time with the Hawks. That's why he got Geno.

 

[FloridaSeahawk18]

Always Compete! Except for:

Darrell Bevell
Shane Waldron
Russell Wilson
Geno Smith
My family and sons working for me
Jamal Adams/Quandre Diggs
The O-line that will "get it together" one day

I love Pete and wish he was doing better in LV, but this nonsense is what drove him out of here in the first place and made the LOB so toxic internally. Thought he would have learned with his year off hiatus, guess not.

 

[IndyHawk]

The "Always compete" Pete has not been around since he built
the SB winning team, it turned into favorite players who got
every chance despite poor results.
I wanted and waited for "Ice cold" Pete to show up when we
needed it, instead we got "loyal" Pete who kept coaches who had
no business keeping their jobs.
Year after year it was the same one trick pony show, I had enough
and wanted Pete gone 3-4 years before it happened.
He goes on to the Raiders, takes Geno9pick off our hands and of course
brings back his favorite - Jamal Adams, If Procise was still around he'd
bring him in for an IR vacation.
I look at him now; It's not age that's the issue, it's refusing to accept
that there isn't a "Quick fix" and actually being "Ice Pete" and doing the
"Always compete".

 

[Natethegreat]

Geno is elite or near elite. The ball knower's here told me so. They watched the all 22.
Also none of those 9 ints were his fault. I watched the tape.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

When the score is 40-6 in the fourth, it’s time to let your backup have those sloppy seconds. If Kenny Pickett can come back by two scores, you have your answer.

QBs naturally decline starting in their mid 30s. The only other thing as predictable is women’s fertility.

 

[RiverDog]

His main issue is that he wants to be positive even when there is no real justification. His personal philosophy might work great on an individual basis where that individual has more control of things and can reap benefits, but when your success is dependent on other people and those people are failing then it's time to address that.
Pete simply doesn't know how to discipline people. He doesn't know how to operate a locker room that isn't based around positivity. That was his main problem towards the end of his seahawks tenure. He just doesn't have it in him.
If Geno gets cut after the season I have to imagine Pete will be fired. At 74 he is simply too old to develop a young QB, and that was already true at the end of his time with the Hawks. That's why he got Geno.

I'm not close enough to the situation to speak with any degree of credibility on it, but there are incidents throughout Pete's coaching career that would support this theory that he doesn't know how or won't discipline people.

The Reggie Bush incident at USC. Pete had players that were obviously accepting unauthorized benefits, like kids from the 'hood driving super expensive off market autos to practice, but Pete just pretended to ignore it, acted like the piano player in the whorehouse.

Percy Harvin. The guy was a first class jerk, should not only have been disciplined, but should have been kicked off the team, yet Pete put up with his garbage until Harvin openly disobeyed his coaches by not going into the game when told.

There's other examples, but I'll stop with those two. I really don't want to make Pete into a piñata.

 

[bileever]

I think that there is plenty of evidence that Pete doesn't always live by his credo. There's always going to be that push and pull between objective evaluation and loyalty. But "always compete" means you often have to put your loyalty aside and make some pretty tough decisions.

Success often leads us to abandon the formula that got us there.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Geno is elite or near elite. The ball knower's here told me so. They watched the all 22.
Also none of those 9 ints were his fault. I watched the tape.

They were pretty much all his fault. I also watched the tape.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I think that there is plenty of evidence that Pete doesn't always live by his credo. There's always going to be that push and pull between objective evaluation and loyalty. But "always compete" means you often have to put your loyalty aside and make some pretty tough decisions.

Success often leads us to abandon the formula that got us there.

It's depressing. It's really depressing to watch.

 

[James in PA]

Pete and the Raiders would likely have more success with tiny hands at QB. But does Pete have the stones to deal with disgruntled, pouty Geno? He better act fast or Pete himself could be 1 and done in Vegas.

 

[Natethegreat]

Geno isn't playing well but he is still leaps and bounds better than Picket.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Geno isn't playing well but he is still leaps and bounds better than Picket.

And we know this, how?