Rookie Eve!

[oldhawkfan]

It’s training camp eve for the rookies! Tomorrow the 2025 rookies report to camp. The long offseason is basically over. Real football news and analysis starts tomorrow.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Awesome sauce. Sauce, that is awesome.

 

[jammerhawk]

Just want to see Nick Emmanwori signed. This situation seemingly is one the team will not win. Rather think the league is a tad PO'd with the two team that guaranteed the contracts of the first two draft picks of the 2nd rd.

 

[Dolomight12]

Bout damn time!

 

[CouchLogic]

Just want to see Nick Emmanwori signed. This situation seemingly is one the team will not win. Rather think the league is a tad PO'd with the two team that guaranteed the contracts of the first two draft picks of the 2nd rd.

Meh, let him sit. He's losing money, not Seattle.

 

[rjdriver]

Just want to see Nick Emmanwori signed. This situation seemingly is one the team will not win. Rather think the league is a tad PO'd with the two team that guaranteed the contracts of the first two draft picks of the 2nd rd.

It’s crazy to think that the remaining 30 2nd round picks are unsigned because of that.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. 30, geez.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Why is it such a big deal to give them guaranteed money, how many second rounders don’t make it two years?

The amount of money football generates is unbelievable, it’s crazy and do they really deserve all that money just to play a game, debatable, but it’s not gonna change so I’d rather see the players make the money than all the fatsos trying to make money off the players

 

[Sperrydogg]

Are football players in a real union?

 

[rjdriver]

Why is it such a big deal to give them guaranteed money, how many second rounders don’t make it two years?

Hey @Sperrydogg answer your phone, some dude named Malik McDowell is trying to get a hold of you.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Hey @Sperrydogg answer your phone, some dude named Malik McDowell is trying to get a hold of you.

Hahahahaha touché

 

[toffee]

Why is it such a big deal to give them guaranteed money, how many second rounders don’t make it two years?

The amount of money football generates is unbelievable, it’s crazy and do they really deserve all that money just to play a game, debatable, but it’s not gonna change so I’d rather see the players make the money than all the fatsos trying to make money off the players

No worries, our front office knows how to handle these boys.

 

[kidhawk]

Meh, let him sit. He's losing money, not Seattle.

He’s not losing anything yet. He’s not under contract yet and that contract is decided except for how much will be guaranteed. All this does is take away from him working with the defense to be ready for the season.

 

[CouchLogic]

He’s not losing anything yet. He’s not under contract yet and that contract is decided except for how much will be guaranteed. All this does is take away from him working with the defense to be ready for the season.

Exactly, he won't be under contract...thus losing money.

 

[kidhawk]

Exactly, he won't be under contract...thus losing money.

Except the contract is per game which doesn’t start until September. He can make his point and miss training camp and still get his full contract.

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

And if he misses training camp, I can see him riding the pine for several games this year. MM doesn't strike me as a guy willing to play someone who doesn't know the playbook. This defense is about chemistry and communication. You don't gain that by staying away from camp.

 

[Jerhawk]

Very exciting training camp and pre season ahead! Lots to dissect and talk about.

The Emmanwori situation is a big bummer but lots of other teams are in the same boat here with these 2nd rounders. Very strange

 

[projectorfreak]

We just have a double shot there so kinda hoping they just give the kids the money n get it over with

 

[Lagartixa]

Why is it such a big deal to give them guaranteed money, how many second rounders don’t make it two years?

Greed is a hell of a drug.

The amount of money football generates is unbelievable,

Yes it is.

it’s crazy and do they really deserve all that money just to play a game, debatable,

No. Not in the least bit debatable. The market supports the current prices for merchandise, football-viewing subscriptions, and tickets, and it supports the current rates that advertisers pay football-carrying broadcast networks, so it supports the giant contracts the broadcast networks are paying the league. So the money is there, and it would be stupid to ask corporations to lower the prices below what they can charge, because that's not how our economic system works. Now, given that the NFL is taking in all those billions, I want as much as possible of that money going to the people who actually make the sport worth watching. An NFL player is in the top 2000 people in the world at what he does without even considering position specialization. When you include position specialization, an NFL player is in the top 128 or so in the world at what he does. The current world population is about 8.06 billion, of which we can eliminate half by gender and let's say 3/4 by age, leaving an effective population of just over a billion. That places any NFL player, even a Seahawks backup interior offensive lineman, in the top 0.000013% in the world at what he does, that is, in the top 13% of the top 1% of the top 1% in the world at what he does. And that's in an industry that generates many billions of dollars. To the extent there's anything wrong with the players' compensation, it's that it's very strongly artificially deflated by the ridiculous salary cap, which is just a way for the greedy-ass owners to artificially keep the players from getting their fair market value (that is, to steal from the players).
What does an owner bring to the NFL? Money and only money. And money by definition is fungible, so the owners are fungible, but the players are absolutely not. Change the owners, and the game stays the same. Replace the players with the next tier, and the game doesn't get close to being as good. If I wanted to watch shitty football, there are internet broadcasts of high-school football on Friday nights and many options for watching "college football," the nicer name for the NFL's minor leagues. I'm not interested. But I'm happy to pay my under-$100 annual subscription to the international edition of NFL Game Pass. What's the difference? NFL games give me opportunities to see human beings exploring the limits of the application of athletic ability to gridiron-related skills. The CFL, the NFL's minor leagues, and high-school football don't offer that.

but it’s not gonna change so I’d rather see the players make the money than all the fatsos trying to make money off the players

YESSSSSSSS!
Your route took a little detour into some owner-friendly-media-based nonsense about whether the players are overcompensated, but you ended up at exactly the right destination.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Greed is a hell of a drug.



Yes it is.



No. Not in the least bit debatable. The market supports the current prices for merchandise, football-viewing subscriptions, and tickets, and it supports the current rates that advertisers pay football-carrying broadcast networks, so it supports the giant contracts the broadcast networks are paying the league. So the money is there, and it would be stupid to ask corporations to lower the prices below what they can charge, because that's not how our economic system works. Now, given that the NFL is taking in all those billions, I want as much as possible of that money going to the people who actually make the sport worth watching. An NFL player is in the top 2000 people in the world at what he does without even considering position specialization. When you include position specialization, an NFL player is in the top 128 or so in the world at what he does. The current world population is about 8.06 billion, of which we can eliminate half by gender and let's say 3/4 by age, leaving an effective population of just over a billion. That places any NFL player, even a Seahawks backup interior offensive lineman, in the top 0.000013% in the world at what he does, that is, in the top 13% of the top 1% of the top 1% in the world at what he does. And that's in an industry that generates many billions of dollars. To the extent there's anything wrong with the players' compensation, it's that it's very strongly artificially deflated by the ridiculous salary cap, which is just a way for the greedy-ass owners to artificially keep the players from getting their fair market value (that is, to steal from the players).
What does an owner bring to the NFL? Money and only money. And money by definition is fungible, so the owners are fungible, but the players are absolutely not. Change the owners, and the game stays the same. Replace the players with the next tier, and the game doesn't get close to being as good. If I wanted to watch shitty football, there are internet broadcasts of high-school football on Friday nights and many options for watching "college football," the nicer name for the NFL's minor leagues. I'm not interested. But I'm happy to pay my under-$100 annual subscription to the international edition of NFL Game Pass. What's the difference? NFL games give me opportunities to see human beings exploring the limits of the application of athletic ability to gridiron-related skills. The CFL, the NFL's minor leagues, and high-school football don't offer that.



YESSSSSSSS!
Your route took a little detour into some owner-friendly-media-based nonsense about whether the players are overcompensated, but you ended up at exactly the right destination.

I guess I should try to be more direct, I believe the players deserve and are worth every penny cause this is ameeeerica daymit. But in the scheme of life football ain’t as valuable as we have created it with our appetite