Another Massage NFL Story..

[Cyrus12]

Bye Tucker...

NFL's Justin Tucker Denies Massage Therapists' Sexual Misconduct Claims

NFL kicker Justin Tucker is denying he was sexually inappropriate with massage therapists

www.tmz.com

 

[hgwellz12]

This will be outlandishly interesting.

 

[RiverDog]

I'm going to wait this one out before I sell Tucker down the river. The only news source that has reported on this was a publication called the Baltimore Banner, a nonprofit website launched in June of 2022, or less than 3 years old, that focuses on local news. There are 6 therapists that are supposedly accusing Tucker, and none filed charges with law enforcement. The most recent alleged misconduct occurred in 2016, or beyond the statute of limitations. All that exists for evidence is the website claiming to have talked to 6 therapists at 4 spas. I have some very serious issues with relying on interviews of women, especially from an industry as notorious as massage parlors, on events the most recent of which occurred over 8 years ago. That's why we have a statute of limitations.

This pales in comparison to Deshaun Watson, who had 24 massage therapists come forward and sue him, and had criminal charges against him filed with two grand juries, both deciding not to proceed with them. When there's that many and the case twice made it to a grand jury, something must have happened, which is why the league took action.

We'll see how this develops. If I'm Tucker and I'm innocent as he claims he is, I'd file a lawsuit against the publication that ran this story.

 

[Cyrus12]

Meh hes canceled no matter what..he was starting to suck anyway..guessing Ravens move on.

 

[rjdriver]

Smart move by Justin actually. I expect him to sign a 5 year $230 million contract soon.

 

[Rat]

This looks really, really bad. It's not out of nowhere either, apparently there have been rumors of this for a while, but it took a bit to get out. I've seen some links and screenshots on Ravens boards of people talking about this before; they were largely not taken seriously.

Well, there goes his legacy. If Vinatieri doesn't make the Hall this year, Tucker was probably going to be the first kicker to go first-ballot.

 

[RiverDog]

We all know what goes on inside many if not most massage parlors. So do the owners and employees of them. They are fronts for prostitution. Knowing the reputation their business has, if these establishments, 4 of which employed the therapists that are making the accusations, are legitimate, I want to know if they have in place procedures and policies that advise customers of expected behavior.

Do they have signage noting that soliciting prostitution is illegal? Do they allow clients to completely undress, with nothing but a towel covering their privates or are they required to at least wear gym trunks? What kind of attire do their therapists dress in? Are there any reviews of these establishments in the large number of adult websites that exists?

If, for example, a massage therapist allows clients to completely undress before a session and dresses provocatively herself, then I don't have a lot of sympathy for her if a customer goes a little too far. Not that it makes it right, but it does give a customer the impression that sex is on the table...literally.

The massage therapy industry is a very sketchy business. There have been incidents of business owners recruiting young women, mostly from Asia, and housing them at the establishment, at times not even allowing them to wander outside. They will insist that their therapists perform certain sex acts with customers and if they don't comply, they'll threaten them with calling ICE on them as many are here illegally. It's a business well known for sex trafficking. That's how Robert Kraft got caught as he happened to walk into a sting operation.

This creates a credibility issue with the people who work in them. I want to know a little more about the circumstances that existed, if that's even possible after 8-12 years, before I throw Justin Tucker under the bus.

 

[Cyrus12]

If he's going to skeezy parlors he's only there for one thing and if he chose to go there it was only a matter of time before he got exposed or reported..false or otherwise..now if it's actual massage therapy that's different. I don't see any signs on the wall that says no solicitation or a dress code...I am fairly certain they don't offer handys for an extra 20 bucks and also certain that jerking all over the table wouldn't go over well.

 

[RiverDog]

If he's going to skeezy parlors he's only there for one thing and if he chose to go there it was only a matter of time before he got exposed or reported..false or otherwise..now if it's actual massage therapy that's different. I don't see any signs on the wall that says no solicitation or a dress code...I am fairly certain they don't offer handys for an extra 20 bucks and also certain that jerking all over the table wouldn't go over well.

I agree with that. Unless he grew up on a different planet than we did, Tucker knew what those businesses are about and the reputation they have. So, I don't have a lot of sympathy for him, either. If you're gonna sleep with the dogs, don't be surprised when you wake up with fleas.

There's a lot of 'wrongs' in this story and very few 'rights'.

 

[Ostatehawk]

This looks really, really bad. It's not out of nowhere either, apparently there have been rumors of this for a while, but it took a bit to get out. I've seen some links and screenshots on Ravens boards of people talking about this before; they were largely not taken seriously.

Well, there goes his legacy. If Vinatieri doesn't make the Hall this year, Tucker was probably going to be the first kicker to go first-ballot.

So he flopped his dong out and it brushed against a few chicks and may or may not have dropped some baby batter at the same time.

Who hasn't done that - to six women - at high end spas.

Oh - wait.......yeah NO ONE DOES THAT. If true he is a perv and deserves what he gets. If untrue - the women should be prosecuted.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

So he flopped his dong out and it brushed against a few chicks and may or may not have dropped some baby batter at the same time.

Who hasn't done that - to six women - at high end spas.

Oh - wait.......yeah NO ONE DOES THAT. If true he is a perv and deserves what he gets. If untrue - the women should be prosecuted.

Yeah - quite the rabbit hole to rationalize the highly questionable

 

[RiverDog]

So he flopped his dong out and it brushed against a few chicks and may or may not have dropped some baby batter at the same time.

Who hasn't done that - to six women - at high end spas.

Oh - wait.......yeah NO ONE DOES THAT. If true he is a perv and deserves what he gets. If untrue - the women should be prosecuted.

How about the publication that ran the story? Alleged incident occurred 8-12 years ago, witnesses from a profession with questionable moral character. Don't they have some accountability as well?

 

[ruffENrowdy]

It's kinda weird how they waited for him to have a down year for this to come out. Just seems super weird to me

 

[Ostatehawk]

How about the publication that ran the story? Alleged incident occurred 8-12 years ago, witnesses from a profession with questionable moral character. Don't they have some accountability as well?

they should be punished in some manner as well if this all turns out to be nothing.

 

[RiverDog]

they should be punished in some manner as well if this all turns out to be nothing.

Yep, a slander or libel lawsuit. If all the publication had to go on was the 8–12-year-old recollections of 6 women of very questionable character and no other type of corroboration, then they deserve to get the crap sued out of them.

It makes one wonder how these women reacted when they realized that one of their customers is a well-known personality. After all, this stuff happened a long time ago. If his behavior that bad to where he deserves to get his life turned upside down because of it, why didn't they report it to the police? Did they make these accusations in expectation of some hush money?

I'm not defending Tucker. Everyone knows about the massage parlor business. And all high-profile athletes should understand how susceptible they are to extortion. It comes with the territory.

 

[Ostatehawk]

It stated they were High-end spa masseuses. if that is the case you just can't "pickle drag" staff at a high-end spa and expect it to not become an issue. He had to know he was not in a rub and tug joint across from a waffle house. Again, not defending or indicting him - punishment should be appropriately doled out as truth is established.

 

[RiverDog]

It stated they were High-end spa masseuses. if that is the case you just can't "pickle drag" staff at a high-end spa and expect it to not become an issue. He had to know he was not in a rub and tug joint across from a waffle house. Again, not defending or indicting him - punishment should be appropriately doled out as truth is established.

If that's the case, then I would assume that the expectations were made very clear to him that this was not a rub-and-tug joint, that they required customers to be partially clothed, and that the rules, i.e. inappropriate touching, rude or suggestive language, etc., were clearly posted.

The other question that remains unanswered is if Tucker's behavior was so bad and if their establishment was truly "high end", why wasn't it reported to the police?

 

[Ostatehawk]

If that's the case, then I would assume that the expectations were made very clear to him that this was not a rub-and-tug joint, that they required customers to be partially clothed, and that the rules, i.e. inappropriate touching, rude or suggestive language, etc., were clearly posted.

The other question that remains unanswered is if Tucker's behavior was so bad and if their establishment was truly "high end", why wasn't it reported to the police?

Right!? Why the huge time delay?

 

[Chapow]

If that's the case, then I would assume that the expectations were made very clear to him that this was not a rub-and-tug joint, that they required customers to be partially clothed, and that the rules, i.e. inappropriate touching, rude or suggestive language, etc., were clearly posted.

I very much doubt that high end spas feel the need to explain those things to customers or have signs posted that sexually inappropriate behavior isn't allowed. Probably because most people already understand that type of stuff isn't acceptable or tolerated and may very well get you in trouble with the law (sexual misconduct). Men shouldn't need these things explained to them and clearly posted to know they shouldn't act in a sexually inappropriate manner.

I've been to a massage therapist before. I didn't need it explained to me or to be clearly posted to know that I wasn't supposed to whip my dick out and expect to be "serviced".

 

[RiverDog]

I very much doubt that high end spas feel the need to explain those things to customers or have signs posted that sexually inappropriate behavior isn't allowed. Probably because most people already understand that type of stuff isn't acceptable or tolerated and may very well get you in trouble with the law (sexual misconduct). Men shouldn't need these things explained to them and clearly posted to know they shouldn't act in a sexually inappropriate manner.

I've been to a massage therapist before. I didn't need it explained to me or to be clearly posted to know that I wasn't supposed to whip my dick out and expect to be "serviced".

Yeah, maybe. I've never been to a spa so I wouldn't know one way or another. But even doctor's offices in the examination rooms have disclaimers that clearly states the ground rules, ie inappropriate, aggressive behavior, etc., won't be tolerated. I would think that a spa, in the same general health care business as doctor's clinics, would have something similar, especially when one considers the reputation that the industry as a whole has. And what about their policy on how their clients are to be clothed? Gym trunks? Hospital gowns? A towel?

I do agree with you about Tucker and his expectations, if that's what they were. If he went in there with an agenda, then I have zero sympathy for him. But we're a long way from being able to come to that conclusion with any degree of confidence. I still want to know why if it was so bad for a licensed therapist to spill her guts about it to some random newspaper reporter 8-12 years later, why it wasn't bad enough to report it to the police.

This thing smells to high heaven.