Fraley staying in Detroit

[Sonichound16]

He's got 5 kids in school I saw reported. A raise and baby promotion probably made it easy to stay

I think stuff like this is often underestimated. Maybe the guy likes where he lives and has friends and family in the area that he doesn't want to leave. Once you start making a certain amount of money you can make decisions based on want and not need. Doesn't mean that the Hawks OC job isn't desirable.

 

[keasley45]

You have to wonder if they have been waiting on someone in the playoffs or have pivoted that way since Fraley's desire to stay put.

Yup - if this first round of exploration was simply them leaving no stone unturned while they wait for whoever it is they want.

 

[keasley45]

I also think a guy like Aaron Kromer may have always been at or near the top of their list. He is currently the Bills O line coach, on a team that has been a juggernaut on offense on the ground and through the air ( their line is ranked 3rd this year). He also has experience as an OC with Chicago in 2013 and 2014 when their offense was very formidable, and has been a run game coordinator with the Rams as late as 2020.

In my opinion, the dude has the experience both in calling games and having a proven expertise in oline play and blocking to be EXACTLY the kind of guy Mac and John are looking for.

 

[Floridahawk79]

Something else I found interesting was what Mike Garafolo said on Puck's vlog this past Thursday. He was adamant that the hiring wouldn't be until next week (this coming week)

 

[sutz]

Well, next week maybe a couple of more options emerge.

 

[Chukarhawk]

The reason the o line was so bad is gone. And our o line was about as bad as Washington's was last year and they turned it around with cheap free agents at guard and center.

And if Fraley thinks Detroit on '25 is a better gig than Seattle...the reasons they reached the heights they did are gone. The real Goff will be back.

But i commend him for picking family, loyalty to his current team and lifestyle over a promotion elsewhere.

Then what was the excuse the year before when it was worse?

 

[Chukarhawk]

The thing that stands out to me is Fraley is an OL dude that was interviewing here. Trenches rule the world, so to speak.

Anyone think he decided to stay in Detroit because JS would not fully commit to ideological changes to acquiring interior offensive linemen? All of JS teams have faced challenges along the line. That can’t be ignored.

No, we have spent a shit ton of money and draft capital on the O-line. We just haven't been good at it.

 

[Rat]

I don't think anything is necessarily "confirmed" by what has happened, but it does feel like things have stalled suddenly. If there is someone in the playoffs we're looking at, he must not have been someone we were considering initially because we didn't request to speak to any of them when we had the chance.

 

[keasley45]

Then what was the excuse the year before when it was worse?

You do know Shane Waldron and Andy Dickerson arent working in the NFL anymore right? Just because you identify a problem and get parts to fix it, diesnt mean you get the right pieces.

I could understand the 'excuse' angle if the guys who lef the offnese and line have been shown to be good elsewhere. They arent. They arent even in the league.

They were terrible and so was Grubb.

 

[Appyhawk]

I think remembering the process we went through to hire our HC could be fruitful with regard to how our search for an OC is progressing.

 

[keasley45]

I think remembering the process we went through to hire our HC could be fruitful with regard to how our search for an OC is progressing.

Agree. They had their guy from the beginning and bag channeled assurances he would be a fit and interested. I think the same thing is happening again.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I also think a guy like Aaron Kromer may have always been at or near the top of their list. He is currently the Bills O line coach, on a team that has been a juggernaut on offense on the ground and through the air ( their line is ranked 3rd this year). He also has experience as an OC with Chicago in 2013 and 2014 when their offense was very formidable, and has been a run game coordinator with the Rams as late as 2020.

In my opinion, the dude has the experience both in calling games and having a proven expertise in oline play and blocking to be EXACTLY the kind of guy Mac and John are looking for.

Kromer was a name I kept putting out last year in the event that Carroll stayed and replaced Waldron. Just feels like we need that type of guy as a palate cleanser at OC.

 

[toffee]

I am officially calling Fraley a loser. He sacrificed the opportunity to work under a certified genius HC, the title of OC, play calling, for whatever the Lions offered him.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

I am officially calling Fraley a loser. He sacrificed the opportunity to work under a certified genius HC, the title of OC, play calling, for whatever the Lions offered him.

More pay (maybe not OC pay but a bump), no need to move across the country and uproot his family, stay with a winning franchise, no need to rebuild an entire Oline from scratch, chance to increase his stock more if the Oline play next year in DET stays the same or gets better, job security and staying with a staff and team you've already built great rapport with.

I get it. I wanted him to come over too, but I get it. I wouldn't say he's a loser for it.

 

[SeaWolv]

I am officially calling Fraley a loser. He sacrificed the opportunity to work under a certified genius HC, the title of OC, play calling, for whatever the Lions offered him.

Bro this is a terrible take. You have no idea what the details were. Find out the truth before reaching for the torches and pitchforks.

 

[Cyrus12]

I'm not bummed out over this. Let's see how Fraley does if he's oc in Detroit next year. Just scared to get another guy who's behind another guy on a team that makes everyone look good.

 

[toffee]

More pay (maybe not OC pay but a bump), no need to move across the country and uproot his family, stay with a winning franchise, no need to rebuild an entire Oline from scratch, chance to increase his stock more if the Oline play next year in DET stays the same or gets better, job security and staying with a staff and team you've already built great rapport with.

I get it. I wanted him to come over too, but I get it. I wouldn't say he's a loser for it.

A man with no drive, he sacrificed the title of OC, the opportunity to call plays (which he ain't gonna in Detriot), the opportunity to rebuild an OL and an offense to his system. THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME A HEAD COACH if he can implement his plan.

He gave all that up to become a running game coordinator, that is a certified loser in my book. Glad that we didn't hire this loser.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

A man with no drive, he sacrificed the title of OC, the opportunity to call plays (which he ain't gonna in Detriot), the opportunity to rebuild an OL and an offense to his system. THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME A HEAD COACH if he can implement his plan.

He gave all that up to become a running game coordinator, that is a certified loser in my book. Glad that we didn't hire this loser.

He wasn't obligated to take the Seattle job and there are still other candidates. It's not like he pulled a Josh McDaniels and said he'd do it, get in the building and then at the last second turn back and say "no thanks". He made no promise or, as far as we know, was offered no deal.

That's like calling Ben Johnson a loser last year for not taking a HC job and going back to Detroit to be their OC again, how is that any different from what Frailey is doing? Continuing to build off the success of an already successful team looks better on him and perhaps he has huge loyalty to Dan Campbell, wouldn't loyalty be an admirable trait? Or he felt to himself that he wasn't ready and needed playcalling experience and being the Oline coach and run game coordinator would do that. After all, all the talk was pairing him with someone else to be a second OC to help him call plays. Probably thought that was embarrassing or a lack of trust in his own choices.

Regardless to get this heated over a coach, one of many, that is just interviewing for the job and not taking it seems reductive.

 

[toffee]

He wasn't obligated to take the Seattle job and there are still other candidates. It's not like he pulled a Josh McDaniels and said he'd do it, get in the building and then at the last second turn back and say "no thanks". He made no promise or, as far as we know, was offered no deal.

That's like calling Ben Johnson a loser last year for not taking a HC job and going back to Detroit to be their OC again, how is that any different from what Frailey is doing? Continuing to build off the success of an already successful team looks better on him and perhaps he has huge loyalty to Dan Campbell, wouldn't loyalty be an admirable trait? Or he felt to himself that he wasn't ready and needed playcalling experience and being the Oline coach and run game coordinator would do that. After all, all the talk was pairing him with someone else to be a second OC to help him call plays. Probably thought that was embarrassing or a lack of trust in his own choices.

Regardless to get this heated over a coach, one of many, that is just interviewing for the job and not taking it seems reductive.

Shall we just agree to disagree?

 

[Seattle Person]

I am officially calling Fraley a loser. He sacrificed the opportunity to work under a certified genius HC, the title of OC, play calling, for whatever the Lions offered him.

You're on quite the heaters with your takes this week.