Geno gets paid today ....

[jammerhawk]

MM's answer is better than saying: "every position is under end of season scrutiny and consideration".

 

[warden]

I applaud McDonald for playing the players and giving them a chance to get their incentives. Trust is earned and this move by McDonald has gone fully noticed by the players. This move also helps in negotiations of further contracts when the team wants to make the contract more incentive based, the player has some belief that the coach is not going to screw them over at the end of the season and prevent them from having the opportunity to reach their incentives. This is not Madden but the real world. This stuff matters a lot

 

[sutz]

Keep in mind that the money isn't due today. It only gets paid if he is still on the roster in March along with next year's roster bonus. The team could still dick him out of it for you bloodthirsty types.

 

[SeaWolv]

Geno just played his normal game, IMO. Grubb called a better game. Geno played through the pain of an injury, led a late-game Game-Winning drive, and this time the D did their part and stopped the Rams short of a TD. Pay the man his bonus!

And most importantly he didn't throw any picks.

 

[olyfan63]

Keep in mind that the money isn't due today. It only gets paid if he is still on the roster in March along with next year's roster bonus. The team could still dick him out of it for you bloodthirsty types.

That would be counter to how this front office under Schneider has historically operated. But, with Carroll gone, who knows? Still, I think they go out of their way to be fair to Geno. Other, future Seahawk QBs and Free Agents are watching.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And most importantly he didn't throw any picks.

It's a post Christmas miracle

/sarcasm

 

[olyfan63]

Do we win this game 6 out of ten times? Or were we just lucky. Hard to build on that. Once again our pass defense was poor

A win is a win. ALL Road Wins in the NFL are A GOOD WIN. A win over a 12 win team is better than a win over a 4 win team. A healthy Jimmy G is a legit NFL QB. He looked healthy and sharp. Any special reason to care about a hypothetical win 6 times out of 10? Next year the rosters will be different, new Seahawks OC, etc.

Let's celebrate that Geno got it done, and celebrate, at least on a personal basis for him, that he got his 4M worth of bonuses, independent of what happens at the Seahawk QB position next season.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Here's a good question that I asked my son yesterday during the game...

Isn't Geno's Completion % Incentive of $2M... doesn't it lead to Geno taking more sacks than necessary (I believe he does)?... because if he chucks the ball out of bounds instead of taking a sack, the pass goes down as an incompletion, thereby lowering his completion % for the season.

Another way of thinking about it... that incentive leads to him making plays (taking sacks) that hurt the team... at the expense of him earning $2M as an individual.

 

[Utah_hawk]

Here's a good question that I asked my son yesterday during the game...

Isn't Geno's Completion % Incentive of $2M... doesn't it lead to Geno taking more sacks than necessary (I believe he does)?... because if he chucks the ball out of bounds instead of taking a sack, the pass goes down as an incompletion, thereby lowering his completion % for the season.

Another way of thinking about it... that incentive leads to him making plays (taking sacks) that hurt the team... at the expense of him earning $2M as an individual.

Yup. It also incentivizes him to not take risky throws down field to push the ball. Geno isn't accurate when it counts (red zone).

His total yard incentive also leads to him audibling out of run plays.

I want to understand why Schneider would structure the contract this way. Most QBs have incentives based on wins, # of starts, etc. it seems very foolish

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

Yup. It also incentivizes him to not take risky throws down field to push the ball. Geno isn't accurate when it counts (red zone).

His total yard incentive also leads to him audibling out of run plays.

I want to understand why Schneider would structure the contract this way. Most QBs have incentives based on wins, # of starts, etc. it seems very foolish

I have had these same concerns. I do like the 10 win incentive, but the others seem to have an opportunity to be a little team negative, at least to me.

 

[Rat]

He also had a $2 million incentive for 30 TDs. That probably seemed attainable at the beginning of the season.

 

[Spin Doctor]

"I guess yeah" is one hell of a way to put it.

We also have to remember one thing here; Mike MacDonald has little say over the personel. Carroll was president of football operations here, a position usually reserved for GMs. Mike MacDonald is your regular joe HC. He doesn't have any control over who Schneider signs, brings in, cuts, etc.

Mike MacDonald is just responding honestly, he doesn't really know what is going to happen to Geno, or what Schneider has planned. They'll probably convene now that the season is over, but all Mike MacDonald has is an opinion, he has no control in what Schneider does or doesn't do and conversely who ends up on the roster. He can tell Schneider what he thinks -- but unlike Carroll, Schneider can choose to ignore MacDonald.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Do we honestly know this, or is it an assumption? Not trying to argue, but he may have a little more input than you think. I can't imagine Coach Mike just has zero say in who comes here. Coaches need to get the players that want too, not just who the GM adds to the team. None of us actually know how much input Mike has in personnel. He doesn't strike me at all as some yes man coach. He wants things a certain way, and you can see that. The two LB's that got sent packing, I highly doubt that was JUST a Schneider decision. And bringing in Jones, I suspect that was very much something that Mike wanted for this team. Those two LB's weren't producing the way Mike wanted, he sent them packing, not just John.
And what would be the benefit of JS just ignoring what Mike wants? That makes no sense. He's the one who chose to bring Mike here, I highly doubt it was a situation where he told him "I make all the personnel decisions, you coach"

Not an attempt at arguing, just talking football.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Do we honestly know this, or is it an assumption? Not trying to argue, but he may have a little more input than you think. I can't imagine Coach Mike just has zero say in who comes here. Coaches need to get the players that want too, not just who the GM adds to the team. None of us actually know how much input Mike has in personnel.

I can't comment on their working relationship. Who knows how close Schneider and MacDonald are. What I do know, is when we look at the power hierarchy -- MacDonald has no say on things. MacDonald can bench people, but he cannot cut, nor can he trade, nor can he be the person to pull the trigger on draft day. Schneider is the only person with real power when it comes to player acquisition.

I say this because contentious relationships with the HC and GM are not uncommon. We've seen one of them play out here between Ruskell and Holmgren. Really, Ruskell did Holmgren dirty and actively sabotaged him and there wasn't anything Holmgren could do about it. If the two have disagreements, MacDonald can't do a darn thing.

I do know a few things though. Knight was a player that MacDonald personally advocated for and Schneider went out and drafted him. They do have some kind of working relationship. If they have a hang up on certain players like Geno, Schneider can do whatever he pleases. He can go over MacDonalds head.

It is also likely that they haven't even discussed Geno's future during the regular season. Unlike Carroll, MacDonald doesn't have to bother with contracts, contract structuring, contract disputes, salary cap, none of that. He probably was just focused on the game ahead of him. I've doubt he's even looked at the possibility of Geno leaving at this point, since the season just ended.

One last thing to consider is the OC just was fired. MacDonald is a defensive specialist that deferred to OC on offense. MacDonald looked very uninvolved on that side of the ball, he was deferring to his hired help/offensive specialist. It was really the Grubb show on offense. My guess is he's going to do the same thing here; defer to whomever his new OC ends up being and Jon Schneider.

 

[oldhawkfan]

Keep in mind that the money isn't due today. It only gets paid if he is still on the roster in March along with next year's roster bonus. The team could still dick him out of it for you bloodthirsty types.

This makes no sense. He only gets the $6mil in bonuses earned from the 2024 season if he’s still on the roster n March? These were incentives earned from this season. That’s like saying in any regular job that you will get an end of year bonus if you hit your incentives but only if you’re still employed during the next year. Performance bonuses are earned paydays based on how well you did your job. So in essence, you earned your bonus but if we don’t want to pay it, we fire you?! Try again or provide a link.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I can't comment on their working relationship. Who knows how close Schneider and MacDonald are. What I do know, is when we look at the power hierarchy -- MacDonald has no say on things. MacDonald can bench people, but he cannot cut, nor can he trade, nor can he be the person to pull the trigger on draft day. Schneider is the only person with real power when it comes to player acquisition.

I say this because contentious relationships with the HC and GM are not uncommon. We've seen one of them play out here between Ruskell and Holmgren. Really, Ruskell did Holmgren dirty and actively sabotaged him and there wasn't anything Holmgren could do about it. If the two have disagreements, MacDonald can't do a darn thing.

I do know a few things though. Knight was a player that MacDonald personally advocated for and Schneider went out and drafted him. They do have some kind of working relationship. If they have a hang up on certain players like Geno, Schneider can do whatever he pleases. He can go over MacDonalds head.

It is also likely that they haven't even discussed Geno's future during the regular season. Unlike Carroll, MacDonald doesn't have to bother with contracts, contract structuring, contract disputes, salary cap, none of that. He probably was just focused on the game ahead of him. I've doubt he's even looked at the possibility of Geno leaving at this point, since the season just ended.

One last thing to consider is the OC just was fired. MacDonald is a defensive specialist that deferred to OC on offense. MacDonald looked very uninvolved on that side of the ball, he was deferring to his hired help/offensive specialist. It was really the Grubb show on offense. My guess is he's going to do the same thing here; defer to whomever his new OC ends up being and Jon Schneider.

Fair enough. I just think he has more say than you think he does, and that's cool. JS seems pretty hands on with his coach, why would he just stop being the way he always has been?

 

[Spin Doctor]

Fair enough. I just think he has more say than you think he does, and that's cool. JS seems pretty hands on with his coach, why would he just stop being the way he always has been?

Oh they're for sure working together in some capacity, you have no argument from me there. I even gave an example of Knight being drafted because MacDonald really wanted him.

As far as QB goes, that one is difficult. Both their jobs will hedge on what is done with that position. Even with the harmonious relationship that Carroll and Schneider had, Carroll pulled the veto card multiple times and shot down some of Schneiders ideas. If Schneider has a strong idea of what direction he wants the QB position to go, MacDonald can't do much about it.

If MacDonald and Schneider have a disagreement about the QB position it wouldn't be the first time. It's quite common for HC's to get stuck with a guy they never really wanted because the GM or owner decided otherwise.

 

[onanygivensunday]

I agree that Geno will be paid the $6M he earned in incentives regardless of whether or not he's on the roster next year.

I'll just add that it's my understanding that the $6M will count against the team's 2025 cap space because the incentives were classified as 'not likely to be earned'... again, regardless of whether or not Geno is on the 2025 roster.

And we'll know a lot more about Geno's future come March 18th, when his 2025 $16M roster bonus comes due if he's still on the team.

 

[Mistashoesta]

I can't comment on their working relationship. Who knows how close Schneider and MacDonald are. What I do know, is when we look at the power hierarchy -- MacDonald has no say on things. MacDonald can bench people, but he cannot cut, nor can he trade, nor can he be the person to pull the trigger on draft day. Schneider is the only person with real power when it comes to player acquisition.

So you're saying it was John's call to cut our entire LB core mid season? Would he (John) be the one to make that evaluation and recommendation? Or would that come on behalf of the head coach and his staff? If it came at the recommendation of the head coach, I'd say he has a little more influence than "no say". In turn, he could make the same recommendation to John to move on from Geno, if that is case.

 

[nanomoz]

These incentives are "Not Likely to be Earned" incentives, right?

Which means they'll count against next year's already-snug cap.