POLL: Russ or Fields

[hgwellz12]

Thinking about it more I think Wilson will end up being the full time starter but I can see Fields being Taysum Hill type QB. Coming in doing some RPO. I think it would work well for Fields.

I could see that.

 

[Scout]

Thinking about it more I think Wilson will end up being the full time starter but I can see Fields being Taysum Hill type QB. Coming in doing some RPO. I think it would work well for Fields.

I think so too to give the Steelers a dynamic offense.

 

[AROS]

If they were smart, that's exactly what they should do.

 

[strohmin]

Yup games where the O line is holding up really well would be a Wilson type game. When the O-line is shittin the bed, let fieldsrun wild with read option and wild cat type stuff.

 

[Ostatehawk]

Wilson was perfect in game 3, 100% completion.

And the guys he "Dominated" in that game are 2 or 3 weeks away from starting their new careers as ticket takers at winter carnivals.

He is done, physically. BUT - he has one more card to play. The Raiders. You KNOW the Raiders will give him a shot.

 

[MORGULON]

I hate the Steelers so I voted Wilson. Would be funny to watch.

This .

 

[kidhawk]

According to NFL.com Wilson has been named the starter week 1

 

[Ozzy]

It's Russ. People hate to hear it but his advanced stats were actually pretty good last year. He was near best in the league in the red zone, passer rating was good, TD/INT ration was super good he just couldn't run the offense Payton likes to run. Tomlin's historically ran an offense that fits Russ much better. Big Ben played a lot like Russ in many ways. I think Russ has another solid year and people go crazy because of it.

 

[chris98251]

I think he's benched and then cut before week 8, Tomlin doesn't fear using the hook and they owe him nothing, he has done nothing for Pittsburgh and the fans know he is a stopgap QB hoping Fields gets it, or next years draft rewards them with their franchise guy.

 

[hgwellz12]

According to NFL.com Eilson has been named the starter week 1

I swear it took me a minute. Not knowing (caring) who their 3rd QB is, I was thinking "Damn! Russ AND Fields got beat out by some kid named Eilson?? ". Late lunch.

 

[James in PA]

Someone captured a picture of Russ, right after this announcement was made...

 

[kidhawk]

I swear it took me a minute. Not knowing (caring) who their 3rd QB is, I was thinking "Damn! Russ AND Fields got beat out by some kid named Eilson?? ". Late lunch.

Thx for the laugh. I’ve corrected it now

 

[DarkVictory23]

According to NFL.com Wilson has been named the starter week 1

I feel like Wilson getting named had more to do with how bad Fields looked than how good (or not) Wilson did.

It seemed like they wanted him to show he could actually challenge for the spot, and he utterly failed.

It's Russ. People hate to hear it but his advanced stats were actually pretty good last year. He was near best in the league in the red zone, passer rating was good, TD/INT ration was super good he just couldn't run the offense Payton likes to run. Tomlin's historically ran an offense that fits Russ much better. Big Ben played a lot like Russ in many ways. I think Russ has another solid year and people go crazy because of it.

Russ's Advanced stats were not actually pretty good last year. His basic stats were pretty decent, but not his advanced ones.

He only had one, passer rating, that was above league average (and Passer Rating is the simplest advanced metric for passers since it mostly just measures basic stats and applies a multiplier to come up with a number). Every other 'advanced' metric, like Success Rate, ANY/A, EPA, QBR he was a bottom half QB.

He didn't just not 'run' the offense the way Payton wanted; he didn't run it effectively. Russ was a below average QB commanding a below average offense. (18th or worse in scoring percentage, yards per drive, play per drive, and points per drive).

And this isn't just numbers. You can see in the film what Russ's problems were.

He held the ball too long leading to lots of pressures and sacks because he refused to throw into tight windows and relied heavily on 'safe' checkdowns which padded his completion percentage and lowered his INT % but failed to move the offense. Russ threw passes behind the line of scrimmage at the 2nd highest rate of any QB in the league, throwing the ball BEHIND the LOS on more 1 out of every 4 pass attempts.

 

[knownone]

Russ is a coin-flip quarterback. He's elite at converting low-percentage plays and near the bottom in down-to-down efficiency, so you end up with a highly volatile offense week-to-week. If Pittsburgh can minimize their reliance on Russ to a handful of plays, they'll be fine. He is a safe, risk-averse player, which makes him the ideal quarterback for Tomlin's grinding style. If they can't, winning becomes a coin flip, where the odds are not in Pittsburgh's favor. Russ is a losing QB in volume situations.

 

[WmHBonney]

I just find it hard to believe that seemingly nobody has figured out that current Russ is nowhere near old Russ in terms of having the ability required to play Russball....

 

[rcaido]

I feel like Wilson getting named had more to do with how bad Fields looked than how good (or not) Wilson did.

It seemed like they wanted him to show he could actually challenge for the spot, and he utterly failed.



Russ's Advanced stats were not actually pretty good last year. His basic stats were pretty decent, but not his advanced ones.

He only had one, passer rating, that was above league average (and Passer Rating is the simplest advanced metric for passers since it mostly just measures basic stats and applies a multiplier to come up with a number). Every other 'advanced' metric, like Success Rate, ANY/A, EPA, QBR he was a bottom half QB.

He didn't just not 'run' the offense the way Payton wanted; he didn't run it effectively. Russ was a below average QB commanding a below average offense. (18th or worse in scoring percentage, yards per drive, play per drive, and points per drive).

And this isn't just numbers. You can see in the film what Russ's problems were.

He held the ball too long leading to lots of pressures and sacks because he refused to throw into tight windows and relied heavily on 'safe' checkdowns which padded his completion percentage and lowered his INT % but failed to move the offense. Russ threw passes behind the line of scrimmage at the 2nd highest rate of any QB in the league, throwing the ball BEHIND the LOS on more 1 out of every 4 pass attempts.

Praising Geno, yet Wilson played just as good if not better than him last year w/ way less talent on offense and a coach that didn't support him. Wilson was in the top 3 in TDs & Redzone majority of the season before getting benched. Wilson had one of the highest passing percentage in the redzone and Geno had the lowest of all starting QB.

 

[olyfan63]

Thinking about it more I think Wilson will end up being the full time starter but I can see Fields being Taysum Hill type QB. Coming in doing some RPO. I think it would work well for Fields.

Agreed. Russell's Kryptonite is 3rd-and-3, 3rd-and-4 type situations. Why not put Fields in for those and give him a 3rd down offense that has simple quick pass reads with a QB run option. Fields might just do it better than Taysum ever did.

Unconventional, sure, but what the hell, why not.

 

[olyfan63]

Russ is a coin-flip quarterback. He's elite at converting low-percentage plays and near the bottom in down-to-down efficiency, so you end up with a highly volatile offense week-to-week. If Pittsburgh can minimize their reliance on Russ to a handful of plays, they'll be fine. He is a safe, risk-averse player, which makes him the ideal quarterback for Tomlin's grinding style. If they can't, winning becomes a coin flip, where the odds are not in Pittsburgh's favor. Russ is a losing QB in volume situations.

I think the Stealers and Arthur Smith knew exactly what they were getting with Russ, unlike the Donks who bought into the media hype when all they had to do was watch Kurt Warner's breakdowns on Russell. They will mostly ask Russell to do Russell things, not Payton things.

Russell will have low turnover numbers, and it will be up to the Steeler defense to keep games close and get turnovers to win, and for the running game to help Russ out like back in the Beastmode days.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Praising Geno, yet Wilson played just as good if not better than him last year w/ way less talent on offense and a coach that didn't support him. Wilson was in the top 3 in TDs & Redzone majority of the season before getting benched. Wilson had one of the highest passing percentage in the redzone and Geno had the lowest of all starting QB.

Ah yes, I see in that post you quoted where I mentioned Geno a grand total of... zero times.

But since you brought it up: No. No, Wilson did not play 'just as good' as Geno and he sure as excrement wasn't 'better'. Russ was a BELOW average QB last year. Geno was an ABOVE average QB last year and for all his 'way' less talent on offense, Russ had a top 5-ish offensive line (rated #8 for Pass Blocking, #3 for Run Blocking Win Rate. Any guess as to where the Seahawks OL ranked).

And, look, I won't deny that Russ produced in the Redzone compared to Geno last year, but his stats are still overinflated by the amount of work his 'way less talent' players put in for him. Russ had like 5 TDs off of checkdowns to the flat last year.

The Broncos receivers had the 3rd most YAC per reception last year... and the third least amount of yards before catch. And this is even though Russ had the third highest percentage of deep ball throws in the league! Russ was either throwing a bomb or he was afraid to pass beyond the LOS.

My man with 'no support' was either relying on his receivers to beat their guy over the top or to turn all of his checkdowns into magic. Russ's receivers had the largest average separation of any QB in the league... because he was afraid to throw the ball to anyone who wasn't so wide open a really talented High School QB could hit them.


Russ was not good last year. He was not better than Geno last year. Russ was a below average (at best) QB who--rather than playing to efficiently lead his offense--was playing to avoid the disastrous numbers he had the previous year. And everything we saw from him in the preseason suggest he's going to be doing the same in Pittsburgh.

 

[Cyrus12]

Just like watching a repetitive train wreck at this point...