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25 unanswered until a garbage time score.

Not sure how Hurtt can survive this one. Offense, I see them running it back with some personnel additions.
 

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25 unanswered until a garbage time score.

Not sure how Hurtt can survive this one. Offense, I see them running it back with some personnel additions.
Pete has to be held accountable for most of this, right? These coordinators are puppets in Pete’s style. Time for a change.
 
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Pete has to be held accountable for most of this, right? These coordinators are puppets in Pete’s style. Time for a change.
They're obviously not puppets based on the immense scheme changes that fly in the face of everything Pete has ever done defensively, but I don't blame you for being of the opinion that change at the top is needed.
 

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They're obviously not puppets based on the immense scheme changes that fly in the face of everything Pete has ever done defensively, but I don't blame you for being of the opinion that change at the top is needed.
We just seem to always blame coordinators… Bevell, Norton, and Hurtt recently… head coaches hire coordinators and direct traffic… they set scheme… Pete’s style doesn’t change and that’s quickly catching up…
 

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We just seem to always blame coordinators… Bevell, Norton, and Hurtt recently… head coaches hire coordinators and direct traffic… they set scheme… Pete’s style doesn’t change and that’s quickly catching up…

And yet he lead the projected worst team in the NFL to the playoffs....

Again
 

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We just seem to always blame coordinators… Bevell, Norton, and Hurtt recently… head coaches hire coordinators and direct traffic… they set scheme… Pete’s style doesn’t change and that’s quickly catching up…
Its been caught up to. Not still catching up.
 

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And yet he lead the projected worst team in the NFL to the playoffs....

Again
I don’t disagree. If you’re content with 9-8 and a quick exit I’ll high five you. We aren’t going anywhere (and haven’t) in years with this approach is my point. Pete is, I imagine, white noise to some of these guys.
 

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I don’t disagree. If you’re content with 9-8 and a quick exit I’ll high five you. We aren’t going anywhere (and haven’t) in years with this approach is my point. Pete is, I imagine, white noise to some of these guys.

To be 9-8 with this roster was pretty incredible

Upgrade the talent next year and the results will follow

Look at the front 7 that started today on defense and its a miracle they made the playoffs at all

An absolute dumpster fire of personnel
 

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The LBs are a dumpster fire. The rest of the roster is middling. The secondary is actually promising.

Anything but a dumpster fire.

Now that we kept talking about a 3-4 which leverages LBs? That shows in the intellect and capability of our defensive staff.

The defensive roster is not the problem. Honestly, we have spent more draft capital on the Defense than the offense.

We made the playoffs because our secondary is good at ball hawking and because our offense puts up #s. Not because of anything the coaching staff did with the defense.
And really, we made the playoffs because a few other teams fell off the cliff, we had an easier path. The Rams imploded AND the Cardinals ARE a dumpsterfire. Basically the only real team we had to play in our division was the 49ers.
Either way, the offense engendered that playoff slot opportunity, not the defense.
 

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My problem is that we act like this season was the continuation of a trend. It was not. Our defense last year was near the top in points allowed. Great in the red zone. They were perfectly adequate. Rams won the Super Bowl with a defense of near identical statistical performance.

Our defense (and by extension Norton) were scapegoated for the failures of our offense to sustain drives.

So, we toss Norton and Bobby, dial up an entirely new system, and we are worse in basically every category except turnovers. You give this Geno-led offense that D and this is a much different year.


Do we need to drop Hurtt? Probably, and I don't think there is much value in this Fangio style scheme that he and Desai are here to run.

But do we need to get away from Pete over this? I don't know about that. I'm more inclined to move away from Pete for completely different reasons. Firing Norton and this new defensive scheme was what a lot of these 'Fire Pete' folks were clamoring for last year.
 

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To be 9-8 with this roster was pretty incredible

Upgrade the talent next year and the results will follow

Look at the front 7 that started today on defense and its a miracle they made the playoffs at all

An absolute dumpster fire of personnel
Again, I don’t disagree outside of the upgrade the talent thought. The approach hasn’t/won’t change. It’s the old man at the family reunion pick up Turkey Bowl football game with Pete. He thinks “no one has seen this” trick 3 yard play. I appreciate what he’s done… how he’s coached… how he’s led… but he always falls back to old school and that’s killing us, I think. I just want some ingenuity, forward thought and, dare I say, some out of the box thinking. To your point, new talent or not… with Pete I don’t think it will matter. Every team knows what we are going to do and we are easy to gameplan for. I want unpredictably and a fresh start. We’ve got the young talent… draft picks… it’s just time.
 

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Again, I don’t disagree outside of the upgrade the talent thought. The approach hasn’t/won’t change. It’s the old man at the family reunion pick up Turkey Bowl football game with Pete. He thinks “no one has seen this” trick 3 yard play. I appreciate what he’s done… how he’s coached… how he’s led… but he always falls back to old school and that’s killing us, I think. I just want some ingenuity, forward thought and, dare I say, some out of the box thinking. To your point, new talent or not… with Pete I don’t think it will matter. Every team knows what we are going to do and we are easy to gameplan for. I want unpredictably and a fresh start. We’ve got the young talent… draft picks… it’s just time.

You may be right, but its impossible to tell with the dearth of talent over there

X's and O's only go so far

To pretend his historic defenses were centruries ago, and that his "approach" has been passed by is hyperbolic at best and can't be evaluated until there are sufficient NFL players on that side of the ball
 

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The LBs are a dumpster fire. The rest of the roster is middling. The secondary is actually promising.

Anything but a dumpster fire.

Now that we kept talking about a 3-4 which leverages LBs? That shows in the intellect and capability of our defensive staff.

The defensive roster is not the problem. Honestly, we have spent more draft capital on the Defense than the offense.

We made the playoffs because our secondary is good at ball hawking and because our offense puts up #s. Not because of anything the coaching staff did with the defense.
And really, we made the playoffs because a few other teams fell off the cliff, we had an easier path. The Rams imploded AND the Cardinals ARE a dumpsterfire. Basically the only real team we had to play in our division was the 49ers.
Either way, the offense engendered that playoff slot opportunity, not the defense.

I said the front 7 is a dumpster fire, not the whole roster
 

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We just seem to always blame coordinators… Bevell, Norton, and Hurtt recently… head coaches hire coordinators and direct traffic… they set scheme… Pete’s style doesn’t change and that’s quickly catching up…
RUN ...... OUT..... of the building. This is not a very good team. x 7+seasons = PC's folly.
 

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49ers Drives vs Seahawks:
FG TD FG Punt FG TD TD TD FG End of game. They scored on 80% of their drives with a rookie 7th-round pick at QB.

Yea, I'd say Hurtt and this D are HOT GARBAGE!!!
 

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You may be right, but its impossible to tell with the dearth of talent over there

X's and O's only go so far

To pretend his historic defenses were centruries ago, and that his "approach" has been passed by is hyperbolic at best and can't be evaluated until there are sufficient NFL players on that side of the ball
Then who's accountable for the squandering of resources that has created this defensive roster?
 

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I guess it depends on what you believe about how personnel decisions are made
 

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4 picks in the top 20 seems like stockpiling, not squandering....
Just my take.

I'm really happy about this season and excited about next season. I'm surprised so many feel differently considering everyone, literally everyone on .net, agrees the Seahawks over-achieved in 22. ... and we're set-up for more upswing in the off-season.

Maybe I missed the threads where so many predicted the 22 Seahawks were SuperBowl destined and the season ended in disappointment and unmet expectations. Sorry, I don't always read to the end of some topics....
 
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