We Were All Wrong

[Maelstrom787]

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With the signing of Bruce Irvin, the Seahawks are now the 7th oldest team in the league.

The Eagles and Giants are young teams. Coming in at 29th & 30th oldest. Hasn't stopped them from winning. The youth excuse is just that, an excuse.

The Seahawks will also get younger next year, adding another draft class and moving on from some of these stopgap veterans. So should we have lower expectations for them next year? Because they will be younger in 2023.

Haha, he's doubling down on the whole "ignoring context" thing

 

[SoulfishHawk]

THE SEAHAWKS ARE A YOUNG TEAM. Sorry you can't handle that. Do you ever get tired of being wrong, Fade?

 

[Nunya]

Wait so this is a discussion board and you're mad I made a point? You understand how a message board works I'm assuming? Did you just want a Fade/Largent showdown? Again man not sure what the **** happened to you, you used to be a great poster who could hear different opinions without defaulting to being arrogant or better than everyone else.

Didn't Fade admit to being wrong?

No he did not. Not really. He was taking some heat so he downplayed the fact he was wrong by claiming that EVERYBODY was wrong...which is incorrect by itself. It is the same tactic used by people in a lynch mob that claims they are innocent because EVERYBODY was was calling for the hanging. Then he doubled down by stipulating high standards of results he would now expect....just so he could later claim "See, I was right all along".

 

[Fade]

We were, the difference is most of the rest of us don't continue to put qualifiers and move the goalposts on what needs to happen now so we can continue to beat the same tired drums like you.

Pete's done an amazing job this year, period. There aren't any metrics or new qualifiers for me to be impressed with what he's done with this team.

For you there is, because you can't stand admitting you're wrong about him. So now you can feel righteous and vindicated if he doesn't make the NFCCG?

LOL COME ON MAN!

You were off the Pete Wagon two weeks ago or thereabouts, remember?

Don't need vindication. I just want the Seahawks to win and compete for championships. Pete is standing in the way of that if he continues to disappoint and go out early in the playoffs. This year is ripe for the pluckin'.

If Pete can't make an NFCCG with a top 5 QB, the #1 scoring offense in the NFC, in an NFC that has never been worse, when will he?

 

[Fade]

THE SEAHAWKS ARE A YOUNG TEAM. Sorry you can't handle that. Do you ever get tired of being wrong, Fade?

When measured against the rest of the NFL they are the 7th oldest roster in the league. There is nothing to handle, it is not an opinion, but a fact.

 

[Maelstrom787]

If Pete can't make an NFCCG with a top 5 QB, the #1 scoring offense in the NFC, in an NFC that has never been worse, when will he?

No one would/could win a Super Bowl in Seattle though as they've been constructed, so that isn't saying much. Pete has mismanaged the team for far too long. The longer Pete stays the worse it gets.

I like that you're putting out enough contradictory material in such a short timeframe that I can actually make you argue with yourself.

You can do this with most people, obviously, but yours are very seamless.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Completely ignoring the new 'Pete must get to the NFCCG in order to be a success' nonsense that this thread is predicated on, but I did want to point out that according to FootballOutsiders, we are now one of the top 10 teams most likely to win the Super Bowl. (We are, however, 5th in the NFC on that list, so statistically still not favored to make the NFC Championship Game.)

We are also now the favorites to win our division AND more likely than not to make the playoffs, per their formula.

Exciting stuff.

 

[Nunya]

If Pete cannot make the NFCCG in a down NFC with a top 5 QB, and the #1 scoring offense in the NFC when will he?

So tell us you know very little about professional football without saying you know little about professional football.

 

[Fade]

No he did not. Not really. He was taking some heat so he downplayed the fact he was wrong by claiming that EVERYBODY was wrong...which is incorrect by itself. It is the same tactic used by people in a lynch mob that claims they are innocent because EVERYBODY was was calling for the hanging. Then he doubled down by stipulating high standards of results he would now expect....just so he could later claim "See, I was right all along".

You guys are way overthinking this.

I've said many times on here over the years that I don't care if I'm wrong or right. I know making predictions at the rate I do I'm going to get some right and some wrong. I have no expectation of batting a 1.000.

The funny thing is everyone here remembers what I say and keeps tabs on me, which is fine. If that's how posters like to do it, go ahead and do it.

But I will not accept slander that I'm trying to spin this off into an "I told you so" moment down the road. I am legit concerned Pete has no ability to escape the early rounds of the playoffs anymore.

The combination of having a top 5 QB, and a prolific offense, in a down NFC gives them a real shot at making a run. They don't have a championship calibre team, but no one in the NFC is championship calibre either. That is what makes this a unique opportunity. Especially, when Seattle should have the QB advantage in every NFC game.

 

[Maelstrom787]

You guys are way overthinking this.

I've said many times on here over the years that I don't care if I'm wrong or right. I know making predictions at the rate I do I'm going to get some right and some wrong. I have no expectation of batting a 1.000.

The funny thing is everyone here remembers what I say and keeps tabs on me, which is fine. If that's how posters like to do it, go ahead and do it.

But I will not accept slander that I'm trying to spin this off into an "I told you so" moment down the road. I am legit concerned Pete has no ability to escape the early rounds of the playoffs anymore.

The combination of having a top 5 QB, and a prolific offense, in a down NFC gives them a real shot at making a run. They don't have a championship calibre team, but no one in the NFC is championship calibre either. That is what makes this a unique opportunity. Especially, when Seattle should have the QB advantage in every NFC game.

Technically, it'd be libel since it's written.

 

[chrispy]

You guys are way overthinking this.

I've said many times on here over the years that I don't care if I'm wrong or right. I know making predictions at the rate I do I'm going to get some right and some wrong. I have no expectation of batting a 1.000.

The funny thing is everyone here remembers what I say and keeps tabs on me, which is fine. If that's how posters like to do it, go ahead and do it.

But I will not accept slander that I'm trying to spin this off into an "I told you so" moment down the road. I am legit concerned Pete has no ability to escape the early rounds of the playoffs anymore.

The combination of having a top 5 QB, and a prolific offense, in a down NFC gives them a real shot at making a run. They don't have a championship calibre team, but no one in the NFC is championship calibre either. That is what makes this a unique opportunity. Especially, when Seattle should have the QB advantage in every NFC game.

Unique opportunity...? I think there's a much better chance that Seahawks go deep in the playoffs next year. Professing that if the team doesn't win the Conference this year it automatically means Pete is a bad coach is frankly laughable and not worth anyone's time to argue logically.

If we really want to argue a reasonable point, we should be talking about Pete winning Coach of the Year. ...and John winning GM of the Year. It's high time given all their accomplishments. Pete's done more with (pre-season perceived) less than any other team to this point. GM should already be decided. There's literally no contrary argument.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

When measured against the rest of the NFL they are the 7th oldest roster in the league. There is nothing to handle, it is not an opinion, but a fact.

The starting roster is among the youngest in the league and that's all that really matters for this subject matter. Five full time starting rookies.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Unique opportunity...? I think there's a much better chance that Seahawks go deep in the playoffs next year. Professing that if the team doesn't win the Conference this year it automatically means Pete is a bad coach is frankly laughable and not worth anyone's time to argue logically.

If we really want to argue a reasonable point, we should be talking about Pete winning Coach of the Year. ...and John winning GM of the Year. It's high time given all their accomplishments. Pete's done more with (pre-season perceived) less than any other team to this point. GM should already be decided. There's literally no contrary argument.

Five rookie starters, FAs like Geno, Goodwin and Nwosu. Not to mention what seems to be a massively lopsided trade, it should be his to lose at this point.

 

[Fade]

I like that you're putting out enough contradictory material in such a short timeframe that I can actually make you argue with yourself.

You can do this with most people, obviously, but yours are very seamless.

Both can be true.

1) A top 5 QB cures all ills.

2) This combined with the NFC being down is the reason I have the NFCCG as an expectation. If TB, GB, SF, and LAR, hadn't fallen off of a cliff (that's a lot of teams), I'd have no expectation whatsoever, not even playoffs. This is the X-factor that people seem to be ignoring for some reason. It's not really about the Seahawks, but the rest of the NFC being an absolute dumpster fire.

The Roster mismangement since 2014 is real and well documented. From Horrible UFAs, selling the farm for Adams, to vapid drafts, it's all there. A Seahawks Scout leaked to the media that Pete was Al Davis'ing drafts in the past. Most surmise the '22 draft was a JS draft through and through.

I'm also such a hater that I praised the '22 draft after it went down. I was skeptical going into it of course based on their dubious draft history the previous decade, but came away impressed. The Abe Lucas pick in particular being the most impressive at the time. And thinking the 2 corners they took in the 5th had a chance to be pretty good given Pete's expertise with DBs. Their front 7 picks leave a lot to be desired and haven't hit on one since Frank Clark in 2015 and J. Reed 2016 if you lower the bar.

 

[Fade]

The starting roster is among the youngest in the league and that's all that really matters for this subject matter. Five full time starting rookies.

So I should just ignore the vets and older rotational players that are gobbling up the rest of the playing time, and filling out the rest of the roster?

 

[eo620]

I honestly thought the team would be better than 3-5 wins, but still not good (maybe 6-8 wins). This is far exceeding my expectations! This team is an exciting weekly watch! The season is not half over yet, but I'm so pumped for the future. Next years draft is gonna be a big help! We're back to damn near 2011 when the future was getting bright!

 

[FattyKnuckle]

So I should just ignore the vets and older rotational players that are gobbling up the rest of the playing time, and filling out the rest of the roster?

No but it's disingenuous to not admit that the starting roster is among the youngest in the league and try to argue that therefore they aren't a "young" team.

 

[Fade]

Unique opportunity...? I think there's a much better chance that Seahawks go deep in the playoffs next year. Professing that if the team doesn't win the Conference this year it automatically means Pete is a bad coach is frankly laughable and not worth anyone's time to argue logically.

If we really want to argue a reasonable point, we should be talking about Pete winning Coach of the Year. ...and John winning GM of the Year. It's high time given all their accomplishments. Pete's done more with (pre-season perceived) less than any other team to this point. GM should already be decided. There's literally no contrary argument.

Pete's the greatest, but don't have an expectation for him to deliver when the iron is hot in a down NFC.

He is also coach of the year, but don't expect him to make a run in the playoffs.

Makes sense.

JS is executive of the Year. Daboll will win coach of the year, probably.

 

[Fade]

I honestly thought the team would be better than 3-5 wins, but still not good (maybe 6-8 wins). This is far exceeding my expectations! This team is an exciting weekly watch! The season is not half over yet, but I'm so pumped for the future. Next years draft is gonna be a big help! We're back to damn near 2011 when the future was getting bright!

 

[Nunya]

Pete's the greatest, but don't have an expectation for him to deliver when the iron is hot in a down NFC.

He is also coach of the year, but don't expect him to make a run in the playoffs.

Makes sense.

JS is executive of the Year. Daboll will win coach of the year, probably.

You keep spouting this ridiculous mantra. You seem to like stats, so here are some stats:

1. Carroll has the highest regular season win percentage than any other Seahawk coach in history (PC .618, CK .559, MH .538)
2. Carroll has won more regular season games than any other Seahawk coach in history (PC 119, MH 86, CK 80)
3. Carroll has the highest post season win percentage than any other Seahawk coach in history (PC .555, CK .428, MH .400)
4. Carroll is tied with Holmgren for most Division championships than any other Seahawk coach in history (PC 5, MH 5, CK 1)
5. Carroll has more NFC championships than any other Seahawk coach in history (PC 2, MH 1, CK 0)
6. Carroll has more SB appearances than any other Seahawk coach in history (PC 2, MH 1)
7. Carrol has more SB wins than any other Seahawk coach in history! (PC 1)