Denver is a rebuilding team and we got all their draft picks. Am I trippin, or is this the Hershel Walker trade?

[Lords of Scythia]

Plus players!

 

[Rat]

They just lost their starting LT and best offensive lineman to a broken leg too. This is going to be a good pick we get.

 

[Spin Doctor]

That team is dysfunctional. The Broncos have good talent, their defense in particular is killing it. The issue is the offense. Everyone looks out of sync and Russell Wilson looks very unsure of himself in that new offense. Russ may even be done.

The biggest elephant in the room for the Broncos is Hackett. He doesn't look like he knows what the hell is going on. He has that vacant Jim Mora Jr. stare. Hackett's understanding of time management, handling of crucial moments and even how he's ran his offense is amateur hour level of stuff. I even see that vacant look in Russell Wilson's face.

I don't think the Broncos are rebuilding per-say. They have the pieces needed to compete, they're just stuck with a guy in over his head. As for Wilson, I'm not sure where this puts him.

LaFleur's system took Rodgers a year to get down. It's also not clear how hands on Hackett was with the playbook over there. Even plays that Wilson isn't running look very sloppy and disjointed. Vic Fangio could've probably run this team better and that is saying something.

Wilson could very well be done, and I suspect he may BE done given what I saw in Seattle. This downward trend is now two and a half seasons worth of poor football. We're talking Baker Mayfield 2021 levels of poor football. His stats from 2021 and 2022 are actually fairly similar to 2021 Mayfield. Wilson is going to have to swallow his pride and revamp his game or he's going to fade away. Guys like Vick and Cunningham, hell even Rodgers were able to make the switch from dynamic playmaker to players that relied more on their game knowledge and fundamentals to get things done.

Honestly, I'm not convinced that Wilson ever was that great at reading defenses pre-snap. It's something that I've always harped on him for. Wilson's fundamentals always were shaky. He was just able to compensate with his dynamic athleticism and unique talents. I also think that Wilson isn't a student of the game anymore. He got a big head and decided to play his way. Wilson's got a million different ventures going and he seems to be more interested in convincing people how great he is than actually playing the game.

There is a lot going on, Denver has great talent but the guys at top (Wilson, Hackett) aren't doing their jobs properly.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

I think it goes even further than that. If you watch Wilson's last 35 or so starts you can see a player that's obviously in decline. Pete and John knew that and fleeced the Broncos unless something drastically changes. I think the Broncos D will play well enough to keep that inept offence in games against certain teams. But what's going to happen when they go against good teams in their own division like the Chiefs? I don't see that team competing down the stretch against a stacked AFC. It's still semi early, but the cracks are showing.

And I'm not sure the NFL was expecting this outcome when they decided to give the Broncos so many games that are nationally televised. It's not a good look when the fans are leaving in a tie game going into OT.

 

[Rat]

And I'm not sure the NFL was expecting this outcome when they decided to give the Broncos so many games that are nationally televised. It's not a good look when the fans are leaving in a tie game going into OT.

They have the Monday nighter next week. Playing the Chargers.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

They have the Monday nighter next week. Playing the Chargers.

When it rains it pours. That'll be a doozy.

 

[Mistashoesta]

You know that co-worker that you have that for some reason you just can't stand?

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

You know that co-worker that you have that for some reason you just can't stand?

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He's thinking "This guy signed a 245 million dollar contract?" Or something along those lines.

Well.. maybe not.

 

[keasley45]

Russ asked for all of this.

And Hackett might be flawed, but don't think for a second that if the Broncos had managed to get Rodgers, that he'd be taking the flack he is now. NatHack is used to having a QB who can run a traditional, read and react offense. Russ ain't that guy. Never has been.

And as bad as the xs and os execution have been from Russ, his most glaring flaw, his psyche in the face of criticism ( what Pete sacrificed his team to protect) will now come under fire like never before, with no one to protect him.

Russ may still somehow pull this out, but we may also be in for the most colossal collapse of a player's reputation and legacy in the recent history of the league.

Monday Night will be interesting.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Russ asked for all of this.

And Hackett might be flawed, but don't think for a second that if the Broncos had managed to get Rodgers, that he'd be taking the flack he is now. NatHack is used to having a QB who can run a traditional, read and react offense. Russ ain't that guy. Never has been.

And as bad as the xs and os execution have been from Russ, his most glaring flaw, his psyche in the face of criticism ( what Pete sacrificed his team to protect) will now come under fire like never before, with no one to protect him.

Russ may still somehow pull this out, but we may also be in for the most colossal collapse of a player's reputation and legacy in the recent history of the league.

Monday Night will be interesting.

There is also a question as to how much he actually did under Matt LaFleur, even among Packer fans when he got hired which I found interesting. Nothing looks functional over there, especially on offense. The only thing that is going good for them is the defense.

The thing with Hackett, is he only hired guys with no experience. In addition to this the "partnership" deal they have going with Wilson is also dumb, given Wilson was never the field general type. The only two guys I would trust with that sort of deal are as follows: Brady and Manning in their prime. I think this arrangement highlights the biggest flaws in Wilson's game in addition to Hackett scheming like he's dealing with Rodgers still.

I don't think Wilson is as poor as his stats and play indicate -- That being said I also don't believe he's ever going to come anywhere near the production he had here during his younger years, even if Shanahan, McVay, Reid, Kellen Moore and Pederson were all coaching him and calling the plays themselves.

I see an egomaniac that refuses to adapt his game, refuses to change and better himself as a passer. Refuses to look at his flaws. He still thinks he's that play hero ball, he can't scramble like that anymore, certainly not when he looks like he's 30-40 pounds over where he was in his prime and 33 years old. The guy is looking chunky these days.

 

[Scout]

Broncos defense is really good as they can help that team win at least 7 games for the year. The problem is the defense has to stay healthy because the Broncos offense has a lot of key injuries happening right now along with the out of sync play of all the players on O.

 

[chrispy]

Hackett may have some blame, but how can anyone point at him when we can now clearly see what Pete was dealing with? RCW moved to Denver to get more control. He still is calling some shots. Hackett clearly said, even after the abysmal 60+ minutes, RCW said he wanted the ball at the end of of the game. Maybe Hackett has to wrestle any agreed control back, but that will take the owner and GM to all corner RCW. It can't happen mid-game. Any improvement in Denver will require RCW to relinquish any understood control and admit it's because he can't handle it. Does anyone see that happening?

 

[Spohawks]

Aros: Keep the subject line to a minimum.
OP: Does that mean the subject line should be 210% of the OP? Deal!

 

[Jegpeg]

It would be fun if the doomsayers were right and we DO get the first overall pick in the draft, only it is the pick we got from Denver.

 

[Sonichound16]

I thought Russell was in decline and was in favor of the trade. The unexpected part is how far he seems to have fallen. Taking away scheme, protection, coaching, etc..he missed a wide open Jerry Juedy on a go route up the sideline where he had a ton of separation and wasn't under pressure in the 4th I believe and it wasn't even a deep shot, just a basic throw that any QB should make. That just isn't a pass that he misses. That 1st interception he threw was like nothing I had ever seen from him. Maybe his confidence is just crushed. Getting booed by home fans, losing to the team you "carried" on your shoulders for years, home fans walking out of the game at the start of OT. I don't know if I have ever seen home fans leave in droves like that at the start of OT. I guess the grass isn't always greener...bet he is missing those 12's cheering for him right now.

 

[willyrobt]

I thought Russell was in decline and was in favor of the trade. The unexpected part is how far he seems to have fallen. Taking away scheme, protection, coaching, etc..he missed a wide open Jerry Juedy on a go route up the sideline where he had a ton of separation and wasn't under pressure in the 4th I believe and it wasn't even a deep shot, just a basic throw that any QB should make. That just isn't a pass that he misses. That 1st interception he threw was like nothing I had ever seen from him. Maybe his confidence is just crushed. Getting booed by home fans, losing to the team you "carried" on your shoulders for years, home fans walking out of the game at the start of OT. I don't know if I have ever seen home fans leave in droves like that at the start of OT. I guess the grass isn't always greener...bet he is missing those 12's cheering for him right now.

Lot of booing for Russell. Not sure he is liking Denver.

 

[Mase]

-- I have been calling this the Herschel Wilson trade for months. But even I didn't think it would look this bad. The problem for Denver is Wilson isn't the only problem. Jerry Jeudy might be the softest WR I have seen in years. Couple of weeks ago he ducked out of bounds creating a 4th and 1. Could easily have had the first down but wanted to avoid the contact. He could have had that TD last night down the left sideline but turtled up as the safety closed. Now Bolles and Williams are out for the season. Just a trainwreck in a tough division.

-- At work this morning, one of the contractors, big Broncos fan, just walks in and says, "I blame you for this". I said I warned him, and he said yes, he remembers right at the start I told him he is NOT getting the player he or the national media thinks he is.

-- Also a bit disingenuous to hear one of the talking heads NOW, start talking about how fake Wilson is and flat out called him a poser. Where was that when the hype tornado was going around a few months back.

And finally, before I forget. Pete, Jon... whoever made the final call to move him...
Thanks.

Mase

 

[MORGULON]

-- I have been calling this the Herschel Wilson trade for months. But even I didn't think it would look this bad. The problem for Denver is Wilson isn't the only problem. Jerry Jeudy might be the softest WR I have seen in years. Couple of weeks ago he ducked out of bounds creating a 4th and 1. Could easily have had the first down but wanted to avoid the contact. He could have had that TD last night down the left sideline but turtled up as the safety closed. Now Bolles and Williams are out for the season. Just a trainwreck in a tough division.

-- At work this morning, one of the contractors, big Broncos fan, just walks in and says, "I blame you for this". I said I warned him, and he said yes, he remembers right at the start I told him he is NOT getting the player he or the national media thinks he is.

-- Also a bit disingenuous to hear one of the talking heads NOW, start talking about how fake Wilson is and flat out called him a poser. Where was that when the hype tornado was going around a few months back.

And finally, before I forget. Pete, Jon... whoever made the final call to move him...
Thanks.

Mase

I was just watching the same segment as I read your post and the red zone Broncos 21.4% Ave
Makes me smile , along with the fact that national
Commentators are echoing what many on .net have been saying.

I have to think , the Broncos players , front office, staff have to be thinking the same. Not to mention
A fan base who have gotten used to success and
Are already upset with lil dude.

After the game we were treated to a rehearsed
Speech which included key words which were
Probably put together by a focus group.

I was done with Dangerwich the 2nd time he held Seattle hostage for an extension.

Good day to be a Seahawks fan.

 

[keasley45]

I thought Russell was in decline and was in favor of the trade. The unexpected part is how far he seems to have fallen. Taking away scheme, protection, coaching, etc..he missed a wide open Jerry Juedy on a go route up the sideline where he had a ton of separation and wasn't under pressure in the 4th I believe and it wasn't even a deep shot, just a basic throw that any QB should make. That just isn't a pass that he misses. That 1st interception he threw was like nothing I had ever seen from him. Maybe his confidence is just crushed. Getting booed by home fans, losing to the team you "carried" on your shoulders for years, home fans walking out of the game at the start of OT. I don't know if I have ever seen home fans leave in droves like that at the start of OT. I guess the grass isn't always greener...bet he is missing those 12's cheering for him right now.

It's not a new thing with him. It's every game. I created a thread about it last year and was accused by some of cherry-picking bad plays and of drinking the Hatorade. The guy just misses reads .... constantly.

I'm sure Warner will do a segment on it all in the next few weeks.

 

[BASF]

Jerry Jeudy might be the softest WR I have seen in years. Couple of weeks ago he ducked out of bounds creating a 4th and 1. Could easily have had the first down but wanted to avoid the contact.

Have you been watching Tyler Lockett taking a dive every single catch he makes? I love No E, but his business decisions have gotten ridiculous.