Watson saw 66 massage therapists in 17 months

[RiverDog]

The guy is an idiot. With his youth, money, and fame, he doesn't need to be paying for sex. He isn't some 70+ year old like Bob Kraft. Even if he didn't do as he was accused, of which given the sheer volume of complaints, there's no doubt in my mind that he's guilty of at least a few of them, when you consider the types of women he was patronizing, ie prostitutes, is it any surprise that there could be one or two that might want to dig some gold out of a multi millionaire, high profile athlete?

 

[RiverDog]

66 therapists in 17 months? It came down to one therapist every 7.7 days. So he had a new therapist every week, is that so bad?

"That" isn't so bad. But 22 women filed a civil complaint against him, and while we might be able to rationalize a few of those complaints as coming from a gold digging whore, the sheer number of them makes it very difficult to see him as innocent of all of them. It smells to high heaven.

I can see why the grand jury didn't indict him. A defense lawyer would have a field day attacking the character and credibility of the witnesses, with many of them taking the 5th, making it difficult to get a conviction. It would be a huge embarrassment to LE and local governments that have turned a blind eye to these illegal businesses. The trial would have been a circus.

 

[Boohman14]

dude just hire prostitutes! WTF?

That's scarier than the Ram's pass rush.

Most massage therapists are legit and probably all that give a real therapeutic massage are legit. Not only can they lose their license if they are found to be giving "extras" but most states fines the carp out of them to the point the risk isn't worth it.
Most states also go after anyone that advertises using the word "massage" that is a sexworker.

 

[Rosco]

"That" isn't so bad. But 22 women filed a civil complaint against him, and while we might be able to rationalize a few of those complaints as coming from a gold digging whore, the sheer number of them makes it very difficult to see him as innocent of all of them. It smells to high heaven.

I can see why the grand jury didn't indict him. A defense lawyer would have a field day attacking the character and credibility of the witnesses, with many of them taking the 5th, making it difficult to get a conviction. It would be a huge embarrassment to LE and local governments that have turned a blind eye to these illegal businesses. The trial would have been a circus.

It’s came down to simple influence. Prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich if they want. This was about the political influence the Texans have. Watson getting indicted would have tanked his trade value.

 

[RiverDog]

It’s came down to simple influence. Prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich if they want. This was about the political influence the Texans have. Watson getting indicted would have tanked his trade value.

I agree that there was a lot of political influence at work in the decision not to indict, but I don't necessarily think that any was wielded by the Texans and/or NFL simply because they didn't have to. Like I said, a trial would have been a huge embarrassment for law enforcement and city/county leaders as it would have exposed their wink and a nod at these rub-and-tug joints. No way did they want to go to trial on these charges.

 

[Rosco]

I agree that there was a lot of political influence at work in the decision not to indict, but I don't necessarily think that any was wielded by the Texans and/or NFL simply because they didn't have to. Like I said, a trial would have been a huge embarrassment for law enforcement and city/county leaders as it would have exposed their wink and a nod at these rub-and-tug joints. No way did they want to go to trial on these charges.

The Texans had influence and every reason to use it. A trial would not have exposed anything. Everyone and their mother knows the elite have influence. Everyone forgets bad publicity. The Cleveland Browns or whatever wouldn’t forget and use it to bring down Watson trade value.

 

[RiverDog]

The Texans had influence and every reason to use it. A trial would not have exposed anything. Everyone and their mother knows the elite have influence. Everyone forgets bad publicity. The Cleveland Browns or whatever wouldn’t forget and use it to bring down Watson trade value.

First of all, a trial would have exposed the rub-and-tug shops, and who knows what they would have uncovered. Human trafficking? Underage workers? Sex slaves? Women's groups could have caused real problems for the pols. It could have made the Jeffrey Epstein scandal look like small potatoes. I'm not saying that's what would have happened, but it's certainly possible. IMO the pols wouldn't have wanted to risk opening that can of worms.

Secondly, getting a conviction would have been extremely difficult. Cases like these rarely have physical evidence, so the jury would have had to rely on the testimony of the plaintiffs. A lot of those women would not agree to testify as if it became known that they accepted money for sex, it would subject them to criminal charges. Others would have been scared off by the character assassination tactics that a ruthless defense attorney would use to cast doubt on their credibility. And as we all know, the benefit of the doubt goes to the accused.

And lastly, when you consider the above, why should the Texans and/or the NFL tamper with a legal proceeding and subject themselves to a scandal of their own when the case was unlikely to ever go to trial?

 

[Rosco]

First of all, a trial would have exposed the rub-and-tug shops, and who knows what they would have uncovered. Human trafficking? Underage workers? Sex slaves? Women's groups could have caused real problems for the pols. It could have made the Jeffrey Epstein scandal look like small potatoes. I'm not saying that's what would have happened, but it's certainly possible. IMO the pols wouldn't have wanted to risk opening that can of worms.

Secondly, getting a conviction would have been extremely difficult. Cases like these rarely have physical evidence, so the jury would have had to rely on the testimony of the plaintiffs. A lot of those women would not agree to testify as if it became known that they accepted money for sex, it would subject them to criminal charges. Others would have been scared off by the character assassination tactics that a ruthless defense attorney would use to cast doubt on their credibility. And as we all know, the benefit of the doubt goes to the accused.

And lastly, when you consider the above, why should the Texans and/or the NFL tamper with a legal proceeding and subject themselves to a scandal of their own when the case was unlikely to ever go to trial?

this isn’t Qanon. Nothing would have been exposed.

 

[RiverDog]

That's scarier than the Ram's pass rush.

Most massage therapists are legit and probably all that give a real therapeutic massage are legit. Not only can they lose their license if they are found to be giving "extras" but most states fines the carp out of them to the point the risk isn't worth it.
Most states also go after anyone that advertises using the word "massage" that is a sexworker.

Not sure about that. There are some very explicit online ads on a couple of websites that include the addresses of 'massage' clinics or 'spas'. Message boards are also a source of information that indicates illicit sex is common amongst them. I'd post links but I don't think it appropriate for a G rated public forum. However, a simple Google would likely reveal them.

Here in Kennewick, there are a bunch of them, 8-10 just in the Clearwater Ave. corridor, most of them Asian operated businesses. There isn't that big of a demand for legitimate massage therapy. The cops and govt. authorities have to know about them. LE may feel that it's better having that kind of activity going on inside a business rather than street walkers. Besides, they have better things to do than crack down on adults engaging in consensual sex, especially given their shortage of police resources. My guess is that they draw the line at minors, human trafficking, drug use, money laundering, etc.

As far as the number of massage therapists that are legitimate, I'm not close enough to the scene to offer an opinion. However, the activity appears robust enough to where I wouldn't say that 'most' are legitimate. There's a lot of rub-and-tugs out there.

 

[Boohman14]

Not sure about that. There are some very explicit online ads on a couple of websites that include the addresses of 'massage' clinics or 'spas'. Message boards are also a source of information that indicates illicit sex is common amongst them. I'd post links but I don't think it appropriate for a G rated public forum. However, a simple Google would likely reveal them.

Here in Kennewick, there are a bunch of them, 8-10 just in the Clearwater Ave. corridor, most of them Asian operated businesses. There isn't that big of a demand for legitimate massage therapy. The cops and govt. authorities have to know about them. LE may feel that it's better having that kind of activity going on inside a business rather than street walkers. Besides, they have better things to do than crack down on adults engaging in consensual sex, especially given their shortage of police resources. My guess is that they draw the line at minors, human trafficking, drug use, money laundering, etc.

As far as the number of massage therapists that are legitimate, I'm not close enough to the scene to offer an opinion. However, the activity appears robust enough to where I wouldn't say that 'most' are legitimate. There's a lot of rub-and-tugs out there.

I don't know a whole bunch on this topic. but my ex worked for the State of Oregon in a regulatory agency. They routinely went after massage therapists offering "extras' and the fines and loss of license were expensive consequences. Advertising massage without a license was an infraction and the fines are steep.

 

[Mix]

66?

Pretty sure Watson's goal was 69.

=)

 

[jammerhawk]

Yep he went to 66 massage therapists looking for 66 Happy Endings. Either 69 or 88 which may have been included in the circumstances of several of his incidents.

Sure am glad this problem is now Cleveland's problem and they are paying his $230 million guaranteed salary.

The factory of sadness continues to be alive and well with the Cleveland franchise.

Love the disclosure that the Houston franchise knew about his activities and forwarded non-disclosure agreements to to many of the participants. Holy Moly is this ever a mess.

 

[m0ng0]

 

[RiverDog]

I don't know a whole bunch on this topic. but my ex worked for the State of Oregon in a regulatory agency. They routinely went after massage therapists offering "extras' and the fines and loss of license were expensive consequences. Advertising massage without a license was an infraction and the fines are steep.

Interesting. I'm curious as to how long ago that was.

What I'm telling you is real. There are large numbers of 'massage therapists', far more than the legitimate market would bear. Most are in small strip malls or office buildings, low rent locations with a simple neon sign in a window covered by curtains. One seemingly popular location, according to message boards, is behind an Asian grocery store and not observable from the street. They do not advertise, at least not through conventional means. I do not know if they are licensed. My guess is that they are not.

I would imagine that it would be difficult for an undercover cop to gain evidence without engaging in entrapment. I assume that the girls are instructed not to offer 'extras' unless they are asked.

My brother ruined his marriage by patronizing one of these joints, which is how I got to know what I do about them. If you doubt what I am saying, I would be more than happy to send anyone that questions this activity a PM with a couple of links.

 

[Welshers]

Interesting. I'm curious as to how long ago that was.

What I'm telling you is real. There are large numbers of 'massage therapists', far more than the legitimate market would bear. Most are in small strip malls or office buildings, low rent locations with a simple neon sign in a window covered by curtains. One seemingly popular location, according to message boards, is behind an Asian grocery store and not observable from the street. They do not advertise, at least not through conventional means. I do not know if they are licensed. My guess is that they are not.

I would imagine that it would be difficult for an undercover cop to gain evidence without engaging in entrapment. I assume that the girls are instructed not to offer 'extras' unless they are asked.

My brother ruined his marriage by patronizing one of these joints, which is how I got to know what I do about them. If you doubt what I am saying, I would be more than happy to send anyone that questions this activity a PM with a couple of links.

yeah i know a guy who goes to actual massage parlors to get handjobs all the time. it's definetly a thing. I find it kind of disgusting myself, i'd never want some random woman whacking my junk. but on the flip side, i think prostitution should be legal anyway. it is what it is

 

[Boohman14]

Interesting. I'm curious as to how long ago that was.

What I'm telling you is real. There are large numbers of 'massage therapists', far more than the legitimate market would bear. Most are in small strip malls or office buildings, low rent locations with a simple neon sign in a window covered by curtains. One seemingly popular location, according to message boards, is behind an Asian grocery store and not observable from the street. They do not advertise, at least not through conventional means. I do not know if they are licensed. My guess is that they are not.

I would imagine that it would be difficult for an undercover cop to gain evidence without engaging in entrapment. I assume that the girls are instructed not to offer 'extras' unless they are asked.

My brother ruined his marriage by patronizing one of these joints, which is how I got to know what I do about them. If you doubt what I am saying, I would be more than happy to send anyone that questions this activity a PM with a couple of links.

I don't doubt what you're saying at all. My ex worked in regulatory functions in the early 2000's in Oregon. The laws are usually stricter in Washington and in my observations Washington loves to collect fines. So I assumed they would be more aggressive up there. I'm a Counselor in a Prison in Oregon and work with men on their criminality. A few guys have arrests stemming from massage stings. It's not why they came to prison but seems to be a component of certain crime profiles.
I'm very familure with the area, I grew up in Pasco and left the Tri-Cities in the late 80's after college. My family is still in the area so I'm up that way frequently. My best friend is a Pasco Police officer so I'm aware of the changes in the area since I left.

 

[RiverDog]

I don't doubt what you're saying at all. My ex worked in regulatory functions in the early 2000's in Oregon. The laws are usually stricter in Washington and in my observations Washington loves to collect fines. So I assumed they would be more aggressive up there. I'm a Counselor in a Prison in Oregon and work with men on their criminality. A few guys have arrests stemming from massage stings. It's not why they came to prison but seems to be a component of certain crime profiles.
I'm very familure with the area, I grew up in Pasco and left the Tri-Cities in the late 80's after college. My family is still in the area so I'm up that way frequently. My best friend is a Pasco Police officer so I'm aware of the changes in the area since I left.

Thanks for your reply.

My explanation, and I'm not as close to the issue as you apparently are, is that the police, in general, are low on resources and have bigger fish to fry than busting these rub and tug joints. Here in the Tri Cities, we've had a number of fatal shootings, some nasty DUI accidents, car thefts, catalytic converters being cut off of cars, and so on. Crime seems to be on the rise. If I'm the chief of police, I'm telling my force to concentrate on those crimes.

The rub and tug joints don't seem to be hurting anyone as most are relatively discrete, don't engage in drug trafficking or money laundering, and their patrons don't get drunk or high and create a threat to the public. Only if the girls were underage, being forced to participate, or some sort of human trafficking would I assign it a higher priority. It's better than the alternative, which is street walkers controlled by pimps.

 

[RiverDog]

yeah i know a guy who goes to actual massage parlors to get handjobs all the time. it's definetly a thing. I find it kind of disgusting myself, i'd never want some random woman whacking my junk. but on the flip side, i think prostitution should be legal anyway. it is what it is

I hear ya. I'm 67 years old and happily married, so I've long since lost my enthusiasm for that kind of behavior. However, I don't find it 'disgusting'. So long as there's a demand, it's going to happen, and better doing it there than at hotels or 'car dates.' That's how Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer got their victims.

But I agree with you about prostitution, that it should be legalized.

 

[rjdriver]

I am literally one of the most open minded females about sex.

I find this whole Watson thing creepy.

Something is just wrong with him. I am happy he is NOT MY QB.

I'm going to have to agree with Alice on this one.

This isn't about sex. It's about power. It's about having the leverage to say "I paid you...I own you. You are indebted to give me pleasure."

If you're a 55 old, fat, bald dude, then MAYBE it's about the basic human need of feeling wanted and desired, and something like this somehow placates your inability to find physical reciprocation.

But Deshawn is a young, famous, multimillionaire. This is a different world than it was even 20-30 years ago with regard to sex. Woman are less prone to feel ashamed of their physical needs and desires. I've read they are more open than ever in taking an active role in exploring pathways to satisfaction. In other words, lots of opportunity for a superstar to get needs met, even if your needs are "less than conventional".

DeShaun could be with 66 women a week consensually if he wanted to, this wasn't about physical release.

 

[Perseus68]

I'm going to have to agree with Alice on this one.

This isn't about sex. It's about power. It's about having the leverage to say "I paid you...I own you. You are indebted to give me pleasure."

If you're a 55 old, fat, bald dude, then MAYBE it's about the basic human need of feeling wanted and desired, and something like this somehow placates your inability to find physical reciprocation.

But Deshawn is a young, famous, multimillionaire. This is a different world than it was even 20-30 years ago with regard to sex. Woman are less prone to feel ashamed of their physical needs and desires. I've read they are more open than ever in taking an active role in exploring pathways to satisfaction. In other words, lots of opportunity for a superstar to get needs met, even if your needs are "less than conventional".

DeShaun could be with 66 women a week consensually if he wanted to, this wasn't about physical release.

Assuming he didn’t rape anyone it was absolutely about ”physical release” but with a massage. Once he got caught he entered the realm of sinister some of those girls stabbed him in the back and some are telling the truth. He’s a bad guy in my mind because he’s calling good girls liars. 200 million will cause lots of people to do crazy stuff. If he’s smart he’ll meet with everyone of the good girls, apologize & write them no less than quarter million checks each.