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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:49 am |
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:03 pm |
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NYCoug wrote: drdiags wrote: Then again, who would be the OC to implement Cable's offense? Tough call and not looking forward to having to figure this out. Doc, ain't it technically Cable/Bevell's offense already, with Bevell calling the plays based off of Cable's influence? Or did they ditch that this season and hand the reigns to Bevell entirely? Was the Cable coaching up the running game and Bevell focusing on the passing game legit? Haven't heard much mention of it so far this season. Yep, but the premise of the OP was that if Cable was made HC, the other two would leave so Cable would need to hire an OC who would implement the run game per Cable's wishes and implement the passing game that would highlight Wilson's skills.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:07 pm |
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IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: Norv Turner is gonna be available. You aren't serious, are you? Few people have done less with more.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:08 pm |
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drdiags wrote: NYCoug wrote: drdiags wrote: Then again, who would be the OC to implement Cable's offense? Tough call and not looking forward to having to figure this out. Doc, ain't it technically Cable/Bevell's offense already, with Bevell calling the plays based off of Cable's influence? Or did they ditch that this season and hand the reigns to Bevell entirely? Was the Cable coaching up the running game and Bevell focusing on the passing game legit? Haven't heard much mention of it so far this season. Yep, but the premise of the OP was that if Cable was made HC, the other two would leave so Cable would need to hire an OC who would implement the run game per Cable's wishes and implement the passing game that would highlight Wilson's skills. You're right. Gotcha. Hue Jackson? I feel he'd make a great addition.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:09 pm |
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IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: Norv Turner is gonna be available. If we were talking OC, I'd hire him in a New York minute.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:19 pm |
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I can't honestly decide between those guys right now. I just don't know enough. Let's hope PC gives us at least 2-3 more years to really develop his squad of apostles.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:24 pm |
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Are we talking about coaching the Hawks or cuckolding Jim Harbaugh?
Honestly, it's a tough call. I instantly voted for Cable, but after reading EJ's bit on how well Bradley fits where the team is at right now, I'm torn.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:24 pm |
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Kearly and myself have been informed by the Hawks we will be co-head coaches when Pete has had enough.
First order of business: Get rid of that jagoff John Schneider.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:30 pm |
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Tech Worlds wrote: SeaTown81 wrote: Tech Worlds wrote: I didnt vote Gus because I think Gus very well may be Nick Holt. Why? Because the defense wasn't awesome the one year he was here with Mora? I get that a good portion of the defense's success needs to be attributed to Carroll. Obviously. But Bradley isn't some schlep who isn't contributing to it at all, and just riding along Pete's coat tails. A lot of people in the league like him, and liked him prior to him coaching under PC. Bradley deserves some credit. He's a young coach growing into the league. All young coaches develop their identity and learn from the coaches they coach under. It shouldn't always be taken as a negative. On top of that, I don't think the question of "Is it Carroll or Bradley" matters as much to us as it would an outside team bringing Gus in as their HC. For another team that matters much more, as they are asking him to come in and built a team for them. Here, you are only asking him to continue what you already have. And I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do that. Especially after learning from Pete for a few years. Cable, on the other hand, I don't see the same room for continuity. On the offensive line, sure. With the rest of the offense, maybe. But unless he's able to keep the same coaches on defense for a considerable amount of time, I don't see it. You likely have an entirely new set of defensive coaches, new scheme, etc in a couple years. To me, Gus Bradley has the potential to be a disciple of Carroll. Tom Cable already has his own personal identity. It works like gangbusters for the o-line. But when applied to an entire team it is actually very different from Pete Carroll's. I'm not sure some realize that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just very different from what Pete has built and is winning with. And that's why I'd go with Gus. To me, he represents the best chance at continuity. You may be correct. Who knows. We thought that about Holt too when we brought him in. I like Cable because he did ok in Oakland and it was stupid of them to fire him. One major difference I see is that Holt didn't call plays during the game at USC. He led the defensive game planning, but Pete was the play caller. That's not the case with Bradley.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:01 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:11 pm |
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sc85sis wrote: Tech Worlds wrote: SeaTown81 wrote: [quote="Tech Worlds"]I didnt vote Gus because I think Gus very well may be Nick Holt. Why? Because the defense wasn't awesome the one year he was here with Mora? I get that a good portion of the defense's success needs to be attributed to Carroll. Obviously. But Bradley isn't some schlep who isn't contributing to it at all, and just riding along Pete's coat tails. A lot of people in the league like him, and liked him prior to him coaching under PC. Bradley deserves some credit. He's a young coach growing into the league. All young coaches develop their identity and learn from the coaches they coach under. It shouldn't always be taken as a negative. On top of that, I don't think the question of "Is it Carroll or Bradley" matters as much to us as it would an outside team bringing Gus in as their HC. For another team that matters much more, as they are asking him to come in and built a team for them. Here, you are only asking him to continue what you already have. And I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do that. Especially after learning from Pete for a few years. Cable, on the other hand, I don't see the same room for continuity. On the offensive line, sure. With the rest of the offense, maybe. But unless he's able to keep the same coaches on defense for a considerable amount of time, I don't see it. You likely have an entirely new set of defensive coaches, new scheme, etc in a couple years. To me, Gus Bradley has the potential to be a disciple of Carroll. Tom Cable already has his own personal identity. It works like gangbusters for the o-line. But when applied to an entire team it is actually very different from Pete Carroll's. I'm not sure some realize that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just very different from what Pete has built and is winning with. And that's why I'd go with Gus. To me, he represents the best chance at continuity. You may be correct. Who knows. We thought that about Holt too when we brought him in. I like Cable because he did ok in Oakland and it was stupid of them to fire him. One major difference I see is that Holt didn't call plays during the game at USC. He led the defensive game planning, but Pete was the play caller. That's not the case with Bradley.[/quote] Just curious.. How do you know this? I am not saying you are incorrect, I just want to know how you know this as fact.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:13 pm |
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Tech Worlds wrote: sc85sis wrote: Tech Worlds wrote: [quote="SeaTown81"][quote="Tech Worlds"]I didnt vote Gus because I think Gus very well may be Nick Holt. Why? Because the defense wasn't awesome the one year he was here with Mora? I get that a good portion of the defense's success needs to be attributed to Carroll. Obviously. But Bradley isn't some schlep who isn't contributing to it at all, and just riding along Pete's coat tails. A lot of people in the league like him, and liked him prior to him coaching under PC. Bradley deserves some credit. He's a young coach growing into the league. All young coaches develop their identity and learn from the coaches they coach under. It shouldn't always be taken as a negative. On top of that, I don't think the question of "Is it Carroll or Bradley" matters as much to us as it would an outside team bringing Gus in as their HC. For another team that matters much more, as they are asking him to come in and built a team for them. Here, you are only asking him to continue what you already have. And I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do that. Especially after learning from Pete for a few years. Cable, on the other hand, I don't see the same room for continuity. On the offensive line, sure. With the rest of the offense, maybe. But unless he's able to keep the same coaches on defense for a considerable amount of time, I don't see it. You likely have an entirely new set of defensive coaches, new scheme, etc in a couple years. To me, Gus Bradley has the potential to be a disciple of Carroll. Tom Cable already has his own personal identity. It works like gangbusters for the o-line. But when applied to an entire team it is actually very different from Pete Carroll's. I'm not sure some realize that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just very different from what Pete has built and is winning with. And that's why I'd go with Gus. To me, he represents the best chance at continuity. You may be correct. Who knows. We thought that about Holt too when we brought him in. I like Cable because he did ok in Oakland and it was stupid of them to fire him. One major difference I see is that Holt didn't call plays during the game at USC. He led the defensive game planning, but Pete was the play caller. That's not the case with Bradley.[/quote] Just curious.. How do you know this? I am not saying you are incorrect, I just want to know how you know this as fact.[/quote] It was well known. That's one of the reasons Holt accepted the offer to go to Washington. Edit to add: I perhaps shouldn't say that Holt never called any plays, but Pete had final say, and it was known he did a lot of the play calling on D. I have a DVD of Pete mic'ed up at the Rose Bowl, and he's calling plays throughout. Holt may also have called some, but it was definitely Pete's baby, so to speak.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:15 pm |
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I don't think Pete can be replaced - merely succeeded. His personal principles are largely responsible for the team we have now. Whomever replaces him...will he need to be of similar philosophy? Or can he just coast for a few years on the team we have now?
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:45 pm |
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Luckily, I don't think we will have to worry about this for a while. Carroll has created a unique situation with unique talent that will be hard to replicate. I'd go young over old and Bradley over Cable.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:05 pm |
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I declined to answer, as I don't see Pete retiring any time soon, and by the time he does, those guys may not even be a part of this team by then.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:11 pm |
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sc85sis wrote: Tech Worlds wrote: sc85sis wrote: [quote="Tech Worlds"][quote="SeaTown81"][quote="Tech Worlds"]I didnt vote Gus because I think Gus very well may be Nick Holt. Why? Because the defense wasn't awesome the one year he was here with Mora? I get that a good portion of the defense's success needs to be attributed to Carroll. Obviously. But Bradley isn't some schlep who isn't contributing to it at all, and just riding along Pete's coat tails. A lot of people in the league like him, and liked him prior to him coaching under PC. Bradley deserves some credit. He's a young coach growing into the league. All young coaches develop their identity and learn from the coaches they coach under. It shouldn't always be taken as a negative. On top of that, I don't think the question of "Is it Carroll or Bradley" matters as much to us as it would an outside team bringing Gus in as their HC. For another team that matters much more, as they are asking him to come in and built a team for them. Here, you are only asking him to continue what you already have. And I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do that. Especially after learning from Pete for a few years. Cable, on the other hand, I don't see the same room for continuity. On the offensive line, sure. With the rest of the offense, maybe. But unless he's able to keep the same coaches on defense for a considerable amount of time, I don't see it. You likely have an entirely new set of defensive coaches, new scheme, etc in a couple years. To me, Gus Bradley has the potential to be a disciple of Carroll. Tom Cable already has his own personal identity. It works like gangbusters for the o-line. But when applied to an entire team it is actually very different from Pete Carroll's. I'm not sure some realize that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just very different from what Pete has built and is winning with. And that's why I'd go with Gus. To me, he represents the best chance at continuity. You may be correct. Who knows. We thought that about Holt too when we brought him in. I like Cable because he did ok in Oakland and it was stupid of them to fire him. One major difference I see is that Holt didn't call plays during the game at USC. He led the defensive game planning, but Pete was the play caller. That's not the case with Bradley.[/quote] Just curious.. How do you know this? I am not saying you are incorrect, I just want to know how you know this as fact.[/quote] It was well known. That's one of the reasons Holt accepted the offer to go to Washington. Edit to add: I perhaps shouldn't say that Holt never called any plays, but Pete had final say, and it was known he did a lot of the play calling on D. I have a DVD of Pete mic'ed up at the Rose Bowl, and he's calling plays throughout. Holt may also have called some, but it was definitely Pete's baby, so to speak.[/quote] No, I think you misunderstood. How do you know for a fact that Pete does not call the plays now, here in Seattle. I mean, if he doesn't call the offensive plays, nor the defensive plays, just what the hell does he do on gameday? Cheer?
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:33 pm |
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Chip won't be available but I think his philosophy would translate to success on the offensive side of the ball.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:35 pm |
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Of that list i would choose Cable. But to be honest i'd rather go outside to find a coach better then any of those 3.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:00 pm |
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Can't choose from that list. Would prefer Gruden.
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Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Pete Retires. Who replaces him? Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:05 pm |
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I'm thinking Gruden..... he has already professed his love for Russ.
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