Wisniewski visiting Seattle

[kearly]

Shucks.

Now my new irrational fantasy is Seattle dealing up for Devin Smith.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Hmm...I'd be happy to patch a hole on the line but if he's closer to 4m than his asking price of 6-7 I'd rather roll with the roster we have now and through the draft.

That is kind of how I look at it. If he is only a little bit better than Lewis ( which is conjecture, Lewis has not had to make line calls and his durability is unknown), go with Lewis, who is cheap. I may not know those things, but I suspect Pete has a pretty good idea. We are in the couple of months before the draft and they were just in negotiations with Wiz, so I am not putting a lot of stock in anything JS says praising Lewis and whatever other linemen are tucked away at the back of the roster. It is the lying season, after all. If Lewis were sporting a prosthetic limb he would probably get a good public evaluation from Schneider right now.

That's funny. Yeah it's lying season so we won't know for sure. He did say similar things with Giacomini and a couple other guys they picked up end of 2010 season. I wouldn't count on Lewis but IIRC he did beat out Lem for a start or two despite not even making the calls like you mentioned. And people liked Lem better than Unger.

If they like his physical ability that much maybe an offseason of studying the line calls is all he needs?

 

[kearly]

Hmm...I'd be happy to patch a hole on the line but if he's closer to 4m than his asking price of 6-7 I'd rather roll with the roster we have now and through the draft.

That is kind of how I look at it. If he is only a little bit better than Lewis ( which is conjecture, Lewis has not had to make line calls and his durability is unknown), go with Lewis, who is cheap. I may not know those things, but I suspect Pete has a pretty good idea. We are in the couple of months before the draft and they were just in negotiations with Wiz, so I am not putting a lot of stock in anything JS says praising Lewis and whatever other linemen are tucked away at the back of the roster. It is the lying season, after all. If Lewis were sporting a prosthetic limb he would probably get a good public evaluation from Schneider right now.

All true, though I don't think PC/JS would have dealt Unger and let Carp walk without a fight if they didn't feel reasonably good about their situation.

Also, JS is very unique in that he keeps the bullshitting to an absolute minimum.

 

[titan3131]

Shucks.

Now my new irrational fantasy is Seattle dealing up for Devin Smith.

kearly do you like devin smith more then nelson agholor? I believe the if not those 2 lockett dorsett or mcbride will fall to 63.

Who do u pick?

 

[Largent80]

My thought is they seem to be happy with Lewis, especially since they favored him over LJP.

If ever a whever a wiz there was, maybe he ain't...because, because, because, because, becauuuuuuseeee.....of the wonderful things he Doesn't do.

 

[kearly]

kearly do you like devin smith more then nelson agholor? I believe the if not those 2 lockett dorsett or mcbride will fall to 63.

I don't think we need a big WR anymore, or at least, it's not the biggest need. What we need is a deep ball ace that can be a significant upgrade over Kearse and make him expendable next offseason. Smith might not be the best WR in this draft, but he's the best deep ball guy. By a lot.

I have no opinion on the USC guy. He hasn't done enough in college to justify the leap to the NFL. I understand there were other reasons for going, but those do not compliment him as a prospect. Everyone comparing him to NFL greats is only turning the guy into a .net hypejob. Maybe he is great, but he will go mid-rounds for a reason.

I think Graham's presence on the team would make a guy like Agholor feel redundant anyway. Not a bad get by any means, but I think his role would be buried like Norwood last year, whereas a guy like Smith would have a big role immediately as a deep ball specialist and ace kick returner.

 

[Scottemojo]

Hmm...I'd be happy to patch a hole on the line but if he's closer to 4m than his asking price of 6-7 I'd rather roll with the roster we have now and through the draft.

That is kind of how I look at it. If he is only a little bit better than Lewis ( which is conjecture, Lewis has not had to make line calls and his durability is unknown), go with Lewis, who is cheap. I may not know those things, but I suspect Pete has a pretty good idea. We are in the couple of months before the draft and they were just in negotiations with Wiz, so I am not putting a lot of stock in anything JS says praising Lewis and whatever other linemen are tucked away at the back of the roster. It is the lying season, after all. If Lewis were sporting a prosthetic limb he would probably get a good public evaluation from Schneider right now.

That's funny. Yeah it's lying season so we won't know for sure. He did say similar things with Giacomini and a couple other guys they picked up end of 2010 season. I wouldn't count on Lewis but IIRC he did beat out Lem for a start or two despite not even making the calls like you mentioned. And people liked Lem better than Unger.

If they like his physical ability that much maybe an offseason of studying the line calls is all he needs?

The idiot sports fan in me heard Lewis on 710 and said, dude sounds smart, he can make line calls. Of course, how he speaks has little to do with his aptitude.
Unger was way, way better than LJP. Lewis was quite a bit better than LJP, and what was impressive, he was better with so little time on the roster.
Unger was a pretty good player. He has gotten minimized a bit now that he is gone, fans just kind of do that. but he has the respect of a lot of NFL people. There have been comments from head coaches in the West about how happy they are not to be facing Unger next year.
I am guessing we take a center fairly high.

 

[kearly]

The idiot sports fan in me heard Lewis on 710 and said, dude sounds smart, he can make line calls. Of course, how he speaks has little to do with his aptitude.
Unger was way, way better than LJP. Lewis was quite a bit better than LJP, and what was impressive, he was better with so little time on the roster.
Unger was a pretty good player. He has gotten minimized a bit now that he is gone, fans just kind of do that. but he has the respect of a lot of NFL people. There have been comments from head coaches in the West about how happy they are not to be facing Unger next year.
I am guessing we take a center fairly high.

Contrary to what many have said, the big trade was not like dealing Unger for a fourth and Graham for a late 1st. Graham is worth WAY more than a #31st overall pick. That they accepted the deal for a #31 and Unger, and gave us back a mid-4th, shows that the Saints put a pretty high value on Unger.

It is likely that Unger's value was similarly high around the league. I think Seattle wanted to sell high, or it might have been a situation where the only deal they could get for Graham involved Unger.

 

[bigskydoc]

I would pay him in the 3.5-4 million range and no more. He is an average center seeking better than average dollars. Current average is around 3, but we all know that number will be increasing.

I would guess that PC/JS made an offer that was below what he wants, and aren't willing to negotiate any higher, so he is still looking. Doesn't mean he won't ultimately come back and sign after he takes a few more opportunities to explore his value and options.

- bsd RPA

 

[Wartooth]

You would think after playing for the Raiders for four years, the guy would take a little less money to win...
Guess not!

 

[Sports Hernia]

Is it possible we're dragging our feet while the unger physical is pending?

That's kind of what I was thinking.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Hmm...I'd be happy to patch a hole on the line but if he's closer to 4m than his asking price of 6-7 I'd rather roll with the roster we have now and through the draft.

That is kind of how I look at it. If he is only a little bit better than Lewis ( which is conjecture, Lewis has not had to make line calls and his durability is unknown), go with Lewis, who is cheap. I may not know those things, but I suspect Pete has a pretty good idea. We are in the couple of months before the draft and they were just in negotiations with Wiz, so I am not putting a lot of stock in anything JS says praising Lewis and whatever other linemen are tucked away at the back of the roster. It is the lying season, after all. If Lewis were sporting a prosthetic limb he would probably get a good public evaluation from Schneider right now.

That's funny. Yeah it's lying season so we won't know for sure. He did say similar things with Giacomini and a couple other guys they picked up end of 2010 season. I wouldn't count on Lewis but IIRC he did beat out Lem for a start or two despite not even making the calls like you mentioned. And people liked Lem better than Unger.

If they like his physical ability that much maybe an offseason of studying the line calls is all he needs?

The idiot sports fan in me heard Lewis on 710 and said, dude sounds smart, he can make line calls. Of course, how he speaks has little to do with his aptitude.
Unger was way, way better than LJP. Lewis was quite a bit better than LJP, and what was impressive, he was better with so little time on the roster.
Unger was a pretty good player. He has gotten minimized a bit now that he is gone, fans just kind of do that. but he has the respect of a lot of NFL people. There have been comments from head coaches in the West about how happy they are not to be facing Unger next year.
I am guessing we take a center fairly high.

Nice hearing he comes across as a smart guy.

FWIW I never thought Lem was better than Unger. It was pretty clear when healthy Unger and the Oline played at another level than with Lem or Lewis starting. I don't really expect to upgrade at the position quickly. Even with a 2nd Rd pick and with Lewis I'll definitely expect a drop off there for a while but in the end it's worth it. Too hard to pass on adding Graham.

I think you're right drafting a center high.
Letting Shelly what's-his-name sign for 2 years, 7m says somewhat how they view Bailey. They could have signed a temp starter but let him walk away.

 

[dontbelikethat]

You would think after playing for the Raiders for four years, the guy would take a little less money to win...
Guess not!

It's his first chance to cash in from his rookie contract, don't blame him at all.

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[McGruff]

Shucks.

Now my new irrational fantasy is Seattle dealing up for Devin Smith.

I don't know that they'd have to trade up, but I can see them taking him. He and Dorsett are two I'd think they'd love.

 

[Wartooth]

Rotoworld...

Stefen Wisniewski - C - Free Agent
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll hopes the team can come to terms with free agent C Stefen Wisniewski.
"He’s a legitimate starter in the league. He really likes us and we liked him," Carroll said. "He’s a really solid football player and a smart kid. We’ll see where it goes." Wisniewski would be a solid replacement for Max Unger, who went the other way in the Jimmy Graham trade. Wisniewski will likely take other visits, but the Seahawks would undoubtedly give him the best opportunity to win after languishing in Oakland the first four years of his career.

 

[Hyak]

From PC's tone in that interview, it very much seemed to me that the Seahawks have a max price they are willing to go and Wisniewski is wanted more and testing the market. If he signs here, it will be on Seattle's terms.

Given some of the numbers flying around, I think I would prefer them to invest those dollars into a Sweezy extension, add a lower priced veteran for completion, and nail it in the draft (which is pretty deep on the OL).

 

[chet380]

Better off going through the draft.

There won't be anything close to a top-flight or guaranteed starter OL when we pick at # 63.

 

[mikeak]

Is it possible we're dragging our feet while the unger physical is pending?

No. If Unger can't pass a physical that only heightens the Hawks' need for another center. But Unger should have no issue passing one anyway.

Plenty of players have failed a physical in a trade and remained with the original team and played.

The receiving team gives something up so their perspective is different than the team that keeps a player

 

[theincrediblesok]

Better off going through the draft.

There won't be anything close to a top-flight or guaranteed starter OL when we pick at # 63.

Draft position doesn't matter in this team, ask Pete about Wilson, Wagner, Sherman, and the list goes on. That's why I say pick four OL in the draft and see which one sticks, we are bound to find one and throw in some undrafted guys to battle it out.

 

[olyfan63]

My thought is they seem to be happy with Lewis, especially since they favored him over LJP.
If ever a whever a wiz there was, maybe he ain't...because, because, because, because, becauuuuuuseeee.....of the wonderful things he Doesn't do.

^^^
This.
Patrick Lewis won the job last year over LJP, and PC/JS seem ready to roll with him, and LJP available as a backup. Given that the two played a lot of snaps with Unger out, it seems feasible enough, to roll that way and draft a developmental C/G or two, and save $$ for other priority areas. Wisniewski seems like about equal to Lewis, all factors considered.