Who has the better WR corps?

[Blitzer88]

Gotta go with the Broncos on this one.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

It's a common misperception around here that Baldwin etal don't get separation. Let's take a look at a very detailed analysis of the Wilson slump:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-r ... ell-wilson

At this point in the play, Wilson's eyes have already dropped because of Smith's presence. He isn't looking to step up in the pocket, so he is unable to see his slot receiver, Baldwin, running an out route at the first-down marker. Cornerback Carlos Rogers is in good position to cover Baldwin, but Wilson has the arm strength and accuracy to push the ball to the green area outside of his receiver. That would lead Baldwin towards the first down marker and take Rogers out of the play.

It would have been a tough throw, but one that Wilson routinely made earlier in the year.

Or what PFF has to say about our receivers:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... receivers/

Much like Tate, Doug Baldwin simply produces when given the opportunity. When Rice went down, Baldwin quickly filled the production void, and has continued to do so throughout the year. Baldwin has caught 12-of-18 Deep Passes for 399 yards and two touchdowns (including the postseason). Only Santonio Holmes has a higher catch rate on deep balls, and Holmes had a meager 11 targets. Baldwin has actually racked up the 11th-most yards on deep passes despite 31 other receivers seeing more deep targets.

Are people seriously trying to argue that one of the best deep threats in the game can't get separation? Or are people simply trying to make excuses when the truth is it's our horrible oline play that is making Wilson get happy feet, which in turn degrades his ability to find the wide open receiver?

Another PFF article has this to say:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... defense/2/

on intermediate targets, Baldwin snags in excess of 70% of his targets (13-of-18) and gains nearly 20 yards per completion.....The Seahawks boast a league-best 46.4% completion percentage on deep passes with their receivers shining once more, logging only two drops (fourth in the league as a rate) all season long. Their 11 touchdowns are right up there with the NFL’s best....With Baldwin (12-of-18, 399 yards, 2 TDs) and Jermaine Kearse (5-of-13, 176 yards, 4 TDs) standing out

Pretty good for a guy who "Cant' get separation."

What do people have to say about the "legendary" DThomas?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-r ... ius-thomas

Rarely did Thomas produce anything when defensive backs jammed him at the line of scrimmage and played aggressive man coverage through his route...While the Broncos have very impressive talents at the receiver position, they don't have players who specialize in making contested catches. Welker, Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker can absorb big hits and hold onto the ball, but none relish contact the way the Seahawks defensive backs do. Of the Broncos main receivers, Demaryius Thomas is the least reliable when trying to make contested catches or fight through physical coverage....Unless Thomas recognizes the flight of the football and separates from the defender before he can react, he won't make the reception. Being an athletic receiver is important in these situations, but often it's the player who wants the ball more who comes away with it. Too often Thomas shies away from contact and avoids making contested catches.

And the damning quote that flies right into the face of what his homers here have been trying to say is what puts DThomas above Baldwin:

This issue would be lessened if Thomas excelled at creating separation

So I ask you all again, what exactly does DThomas DO that makes him better than the higher rated Baldwin?

 

[Mr.Hawkbrah]

Our offense runs all game, every game. .. To set up the deep passes... That is literally what it is designed to do... A big reason db and co are so successful is cause teams don't plan around our passing game, they stack the box each and every game, daring us to throw. Of course he's going to look good on those kind of stats lol, we literally couldn't try any harder to set up the deep pass. Why should the defense worry about 1 or 2 deep balls a game?


Idk why I'm still even partaking in this.

Calling db one of the best deep threats in the game lolllllllllll. Just stop.

I'm genuinely shocked a knowledgeable fan base like ours has this many people that are trying to say db is better than Thomas.
FYI to all lurking, not all seahawk fans are like this. I apologize on behalf of this fanbase.

 

[kubernetes]

This is like asking 'Aside from speed, size, strength, and stats, what makes Seattle's secondary so much better than Denver's?" I mean, c'mon.

Give me a break, who the hell was Demaryius Thomas before Peyton got there.

Seriously? He's a first round pick who had a pretty good season with Tim Tebow throwing to him. Tim Tebow. He caught the game winning OT TD in his first playoff game, taking it 80yds to the house.

I agree that the Seahawks WRs are underrated, but any serious football fan would tell you Denver's receiving corps is better.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

As the dust settles, here are the WR ratings of the Super Bowl per Football Outsiders:

Five most valuable wide receivers and tight ends
1: Doug Baldwin - 48 DYAR Only one of Baldwin's receptions failed to pick up a first down, and that was a 7-yard gain on second-and-11. He converted each of his third-down targets for 49 yards.
2: Jermaine Kearse - 36 Kearse's first reception was a 6-yard gain on second-and-15. Each of his other receptions picked up first downs, including a 23-yard touchdown in the third quarter and a 24-yard gain in the fourth
3: Demaryius Thomas - 26 You may have heard that Thomas set a Super Bowl record with 13 receptions. That is true, but only five of those receptions gained first downs (including a touchdown), one was fumbled away to Seattle, and seven of them gained less than 10 yards. He also drew two DPIs for 20 and 15 yards.
4: Percy Harvin - I'm skipping Percy as his DYAR receiving was -6. He got rated for his kickoff return.
5: Wes Welker - 22 Half of Welker's receptions went for first downs. He was targeted just once on third down, resulting in a 16-yard gain on third-and-9.

Baldwin > DThomas
Kearse > Decker
Welker > Tate

Two outta three aint bad.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

This is so dumb. Our WR's are CLEARLY better.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

Oh and while we're at it:

Least valuable wide receiver or tight end

Eric Decker: -23 (yes, that's NEGATIVE 23) Decker was not targeted until the Broncos were down by 22 points in the second quarter. His lone reception was a 6-yard gain on third-and-3, but he also had incompletions on second-and-5 and third-and-2

He made one catch and was targeted five times.

Who's got the better WR's?

 

[nsport]

Eric Decker < any of our guys.

 

[Mr.Hawkbrah]

Oh and while we're at it:

Least valuable wide receiver or tight end

Eric Decker: -23 (yes, that's NEGATIVE 23) Decker was not targeted until the Broncos were down by 22 points in the second quarter. His lone reception was a 6-yard gain on third-and-3, but he also had incompletions on second-and-5 and third-and-2

He made one catch and was targeted five times.

Who's got the better WR's?

Are you Implying our wrs would do better against our secondary? Lol. To say your comparison is flawed is putting it nicely.

 

[nsport]

Props to DT and WW for having the guts to go against our defense with those crossing patterns... Julius Thomas and Eric Decker were nowhere to be found in this game... After careful investigation, I was able to find them at the grocery store - ON THE SIDE OF A MILK CARTON.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

Oh and while we're at it:

Least valuable wide receiver or tight end

Eric Decker: -23 (yes, that's NEGATIVE 23) Decker was not targeted until the Broncos were down by 22 points in the second quarter. His lone reception was a 6-yard gain on third-and-3, but he also had incompletions on second-and-5 and third-and-2

He made one catch and was targeted five times.

Who's got the better WR's?

Are you Implying our wrs would do better against our secondary? Lol. To say your comparison is flawed is putting it nicely.

Yes, our WR's do better every Wednesday at practice when the 1's face off. Also, our WR's played all year against great defenses and theirs only played ONE great defense - ours - and did not fare well.

So yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.