Where Art Thou Spencer Ware?

[chris98251]

How many ways can I say this, 40 times mean squat for a FB or a RB, they have to wait for the hole to develop and pick up the right block, 40 times come into play in break away runs.

Burst to the hole and first contact is where a FB is making his money, the RB is suppose to cut of that block.

It's how fast they get to that hole and engage that matters, not how fast they run a 40. Quickness in short space is what it's about.

The only time a 40 time for a RB is going to be important is if they are trying to run the sweep and make it to the edge, the FB has to be able to cut off the angle of the defender, that may be where Small will have problems. Then again we don't run that play really in that format anyway, ours is a read option where the FB is more of a shadow of Wilson to pick up a defender coming in and then releasing to become a receiver.

 

[Throwdown]

Y'all need to let this Turbin to FB thing go

 

[themunn]

I posted this once in another thread but I will post it again here:

Michael Robinson (6'1, 240, 4.57)
Derrick Coleman (6'0, 230, 4.56)
Spencer Ware (5'10, 228, 4.62)
Robert Turbin (5'10, 222, 4.42)
Kiero Small (5'8, 244, 4.90)

One of these things is not like the other.

Mike Tolbert (5'9, 245lbs, 4.75)

One of those players is most like that player, who was First team All-Pro in 2013 (have any of the others made All-Pro?)

All fullback doesn't need to run 40 yards, they need to run 5 and engage with a blocker. At 5'8 and 244lbs, Small is going to be more difficult to get hands on shoulder pads and stand up as most lbers are too tall to get engage him properly

 

[McGruff]

Turbin does not have the anchor to be a good fullback, hips and legs way to thin to absorb and deliver consistently, Ware is much more suitable body wise, but like many player may not have his heart in switching to the work horse from the race horse so to speak.

People or some in particular keep blasting Small due to his height, he will make this team becasue he is a competitor and works his ass off. He is the type of guy Lynch will love playing with and is a smart player as well. Seems pretty natural at the position from what I seen.

Will he make it to the hole before Lynch with that 4.9 40?

40 yd speed and hitting a hole or a blocker 5 yds away are not the same, it is noted he gets moving and out of his stance quickly and engages.

In fact if you use 40 times then M Rob, Colemen and
every other FB in the league is a failure to block for a RB since they usually have a faster 40 time then a FB.

Try again.

I posted this once in another thread but I will post it again here:

Michael Robinson (6'1, 240, 4.57)
Derrick Coleman (6'0, 230, 4.56)
Spencer Ware (5'10, 228, 4.62)
Robert Turbin (5'10, 222, 4.42)
Kiero Small (5'8, 244, 4.90)

One of these things is not like the other.

Small's 10 yard split and agility drills are nearly identical to Coleman and close to Ware's . . . and Robinson's are skewed by the fact that he posted those numbers 10 years ago as a 225 pound option QB, not a 240 pound FB.

 

[HawkWow]

While it's true a FB doesn't exactly need break away speed, we don't exactly need a one dimensional FB, either. We need a John L. (!).

The numbers show our featured back does as well without a FB as with, and now with a passing attack that could be epic, I don't see Pete changing his philosophy on wanting Omni-dimensional players. Which begs the question...why did we draft a pure FB? I assume there is more to Smalls than meets the (untrained) eye. Pete knows.

 

[BlueTalon]

He's just not shifty enough and lacks balance upon contact. Turbin was one of the 10 worst backs in the NFL at breaking tackles (just 4.7% of his touches). http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... es-offense

I'm pretty sure those stats don't include all of his longer runs that got called back because of someone else's penalty.

 

[RussJames]

I posted this once in another thread but I will post it again here:

Michael Robinson (6'1, 240, 4.57)
Derrick Coleman (6'0, 230, 4.56)
Spencer Ware (5'10, 228, 4.62)
Robert Turbin (5'10, 222, 4.42)
Kiero Small (5'8, 244, 4.90)

One of these things is not like the other.

40 yard dash means nothing for a FB. The FB is typically lined up about 7 or 8 yards away from the linebackers in the I-Form. You're measuring the wrong stat. If you look at the 10 yd split, Small ran it in 1.67 seconds and Coleman ran it in 1.64 seconds. The rest don't have a measurement for it but, guys like Carlos Hyde and Eddie Lacy both ran a 1.65 10 yard split.

Small will be fine in those regards.