Vote for Richard Sherman for the cover of Madden 15

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Mindsink":3lorozh6 said:
Whether or not you believe in an actual "curse", the fact is that there is a trend. This trend is 17-1 (with Calvin Johnson getting the exception). However, his team finished the year on an 8 game losing streak and missed the playoffs.

Something bad happens to the player or their team the following year. You can't deny it. Trends are very real. People use trends every day to make real-life decisions (e.g. Stock Market).

Anyone who wishes for Sherm to be on the cover is either a fool or a Sherman hater/49er fan.

This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably only serve to make him stronger.
 

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theascension":2glkclz7 said:
Mindsink":2glkclz7 said:
Whether or not you believe in an actual "curse", the fact is that there is a trend. This trend is 17-1 (with Calvin Johnson getting the exception). However, his team finished the year on an 8 game losing streak and missed the playoffs.

Something bad happens to the player or their team the following year. You can't deny it. Trends are very real. People use trends every day to make real-life decisions (e.g. Stock Market).

Anyone who wishes for Sherm to be on the cover is either a fool or a Sherman hater/49er fan.

This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably on serve to make him stronger.

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theascension":hm9x4goo said:
This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably on serve to make him stronger.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, where man has accumulated enough knowledge to think they know everything, and they doubt the mere existence of things because it falls outside the walls of their scientific norms.

17-1 (really, 18-0). That pattern is very real. Do you want to be on the wrong side of it?
 

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Mindsink":1ctc2l98 said:
theascension":1ctc2l98 said:
This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably on serve to make him stronger.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, where man has accumulated enough knowledge to think they know everything, and they doubt the mere existence of things because it falls outside the walls of their scientific norms.

17-1 (really, 18-0). That pattern is very real. Do you want to be on the wrong side of it?

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Mindsink":lefxtvdq said:
theascension":lefxtvdq said:
This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably on serve to make him stronger.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, where man has accumulated enough knowledge to think they know everything, and they doubt the mere existence of things because it falls outside the walls of their scientific norms.

17-1 (really, 18-0). That pattern is very real. Do you want to be on the wrong side of it?

When you go to Vegas, do you bet on black if you see that black has come up nine times in a row?

If so, would you like to come play roulette with me? "Me" being "the house" in this case.
 

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So no one had a problem with hawks being on SI covers but think the Madden thing is real? Uh...okay. If you're gonna be superstitious, stay in the damn basement like that Broncos fan. The problem is that most of these guys were slapped on covers after having amazing stand-out seasons which are extremely difficult to replicate, let alone in successive seasons. Most of them weren't even consistently great. Then they started deciding the cover with fan votes in 2011? Yeah.

I want him on the cover/splash screen so that every time a Whiner fan boots up Madden, they have to see Sherm in all of his glory. Hopefully doing the choking taunt.
 

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Smelly McUgly":b4y1rs7h said:
When you go to Vegas, do you bet on black if you see that black has come up nine times in a row?

If so, would you like to come play roulette with me? "Me" being "the house" in this case.

Did I bet on black the previous nine times and win? Even in something as static as casino game odds, there are trends. I usually bet into trends, and come out winning.

Like I said, whether you want to believe in such things as curses, the fact remains that there is currently a trend. Care to wager that the next player to grace the Madden cover won't have anything bad happen to him this coming season?
 

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Mindsink":3ks9c145 said:
Smelly McUgly":3ks9c145 said:
When you go to Vegas, do you bet on black if you see that black has come up nine times in a row?

If so, would you like to come play roulette with me? "Me" being "the house" in this case.

Did I bet on black the previous nine times and win? Even in something as static as casino game odds, there are trends. I usually bet into trends, and come out winning.

Like I said, whether you want to believe in such things as curses, the fact remains that there is currently a trend. Care to wager that the next player to grace the Madden cover won't have anything bad happen to him this coming season?

There are trends to everything, but trends are not necessarily predictive of future outcomes in and of themselves.

I would love to place a wager with you, but when you say "want to wager that the next player...won't have anything bad happen to him," you need to define "bad." Bad things happen to football players (and people in general) all the time that have nothing to do with something as arbitrary as "was on the cover of Madden this year"
 

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Said it before and I'll say it again -

Recipe for a "Curse":

1.) Player is coming off a statistically good season, meaning they played a lot.

2.) Player is likely a game-changer, which means they likely play for a successful team, which means their team likely played a longer season (playoffs).

3.) in order to be "popular" enough to make cover athlete, player has likely been good for consecutive seasons statistically - which also implies that that the player hasn't been injured previously.

4.) Player is a focus for most teams to shut down one way or another.

Add all of these things up and you dramatically shift the injury odds to the cover athlete towards the 20-25% or higher of the team that ends up being injured over the course of the season.

It's a matter of attrition and probability.

Not voodoo magic.

The chances are decent Sherman will be dinged up this year regardless, may as well put one of the greatest seahawks of all time in his career thus far on the cover.
 

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Hawknballs":37abeq87 said:
Said it before and I'll say it again -

Recipe for a "Curse":

1.) Player is coming off a statistically good season, meaning they played a lot.

2.) Player is likely a game-changer, which means they likely play for a successful team, which means their team likely played a longer season (playoffs).

3.) in order to be "popular" enough to make cover athlete, player has likely been good for consecutive seasons statistically - which also implies that that the player hasn't been injured previously.

4.) Player is a focus for most teams to shut down one way or another.

Add all of these things up and you dramatically shift the injury odds to the cover athlete towards the 20-25% or higher of the team that ends up being injured over the course of the season.

It's a matter of attrition and probability.

Not voodoo magic.

The chances are decent Sherman will be dinged up this year regardless, may as well put one of the greatest seahawks of all time in his career thus far on the cover.

or rather Attrition, statistics, Probability, and possible outcomes. One thing to bring it back to the norm tho.....If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. I think that is one of the keys to the Hawks success at this juncture. Coach drives it home daily.

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Smelly McUgly":29oh0nin said:
There are trends to everything, but trends are not necessarily predictive of future outcomes in and of themselves.

I would love to place a wager with you, but when you say "want to wager that the next player...won't have anything bad happen to him," you need to define "bad." Bad things happen to football players (and people in general) all the time that have nothing to do with something as arbitrary as "was on the cover of Madden this year"

It may seem arbitrary to you, but there is obviously something to this trend. If you're looking for a scientific explanation, well...maybe there is a psychological effect that comes with the honor of being on the cover. Additional pressure to perform? I don't know. Maybe there's a psychological effect on opponents because they're going up against a guy that's on the cover.

Or perhaps the explanation is not scientific at all. Perhaps there is a supernatural force in play that we (as 21st century humans) have yet to grasp or comprehend. To completely shut out that possibility is short-sighted, IMO. Just because something doesn't play by what you perceive to be the rules of the universe doesn't mean it's impossible.
 

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Mindsink":2b6kh72j said:
theascension":2b6kh72j said:
This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably on serve to make him stronger.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, where man has accumulated enough knowledge to think they know everything, and they doubt the mere existence of things because it falls outside the walls of their scientific norms.

17-1 (really, 18-0). That pattern is very real. Do you want to be on the wrong side of it?

The pattern is not indicative of Curses. Curses exist but in the mind. It's indicative of the natural odds of a performance drop-off or injury following a full season of excellence. It should stand to reason that an end-to-end burner of a year is one in which the player experienced a lack of serious physical setback. The odds are in favor of a NFL player experiencing a injury at some point in his career that causes him to miss games or perform at a lesser pace. That's not a Curse - it's a predictive reality in a physically brutal sport.

The opposite of "scientific norms" are not Curses. They are scientific abnormalities, but even then, they're based on tangible evidence whether we can see it or not. So it's not Curse vs. Non-Curse - it's one noteworthy season seen in the light of odds of digression vs. the odds of repetition/excellence.

Add into that equation other key elements, like Shaun Alexander having the best Left Side O-Line in two decades blocking for him for several consecutive years or a Broncos receiver having Peyton Manning instead of Tim Tebow as his QB. Or key coaches/supporting players/personnel leaving a team after a successful season. Because the NFL is a team sport, it complicates these variables.

The Madden Cover is even one step removed from the criteria of league MVPs putting out premier performances - it's now based on popular opinion (and/or vote-rigging). Peyton Hillis, a career sub-average player, was not the best player on the field when he received the Cover. People liked his story, and he had a good year. It's more of an abnormality that he got the Cover than the fact that he quickly dropped off and reverted to the mean immediately thereafter.

It's complicated stuff that we can only attempt to quantify, but it's not a Curse.

Also, to wrap everything in a package of "people think they know everything, but they really don't, because I actually do" is not helpful to either side.
 

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253hawk":2s8ofyc2 said:
I want him on the cover/splash screen so that every time a Whiner fan boots up Madden, they have to see Sherm in all of his glory. Hopefully doing the choking taunt.

This we can all shake hands with. Until the SF fan switches the splash screen to Colin Kaepernick kissing his own extremities.
 

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MidwestHawker":1s43t4v2 said:
Mindsink":1s43t4v2 said:
theascension":1s43t4v2 said:
This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably on serve to make him stronger.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, where man has accumulated enough knowledge to think they know everything, and they doubt the mere existence of things because it falls outside the walls of their scientific norms.

17-1 (really, 18-0). That pattern is very real. Do you want to be on the wrong side of it?

6QgXNyq
Well since we're on the topic of Madden and the Seahawks... before the last Superbowl the Madden simulator was right 8/10 times 80% correct! Well damn why didn't the Broncos win? This football team is different, why would you bet we'd follow a stupid 'trend' that is less indicative of a curse than it is many other factors associated with fame and team sports? We haven't followed a single NFL trend since JS and Pete took over.
 

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theascension":2j9clh4h said:
MidwestHawker":2j9clh4h said:
Mindsink":2j9clh4h said:
theascension":2j9clh4h said:
This is the 21st century, time to leave superstition back in the dark ages, "curses" are only false pattern recognition. There is no curse, only those who cannot handle increased fame and exposure. Sherman lives off it, feeds off it. Being on the cover would probably on serve to make him stronger.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, where man has accumulated enough knowledge to think they know everything, and they doubt the mere existence of things because it falls outside the walls of their scientific norms.

17-1 (really, 18-0). That pattern is very real. Do you want to be on the wrong side of it?

6QgXNyq
Well since we're on the topic of Madden and the Seahawks... before the last Superbowl the Madden simulator was right 8/10 times 80% correct! Well damn why didn't the Broncos win? This football team is different, why would you bet we'd follow a stupid 'trend' that is less indicative of a curse than it is many other factors associated with fame and team sports? We haven't followed a single NFL trend since JS and Pete took over.

Not following a single NFL trend since JS and Pete took over is a trend in its self.
 

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Well then I guess Sherman is safe from curses and jinxes and all voodoo-related concepts. More votes for Sherm please.
 

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Who would have thought this topic would generate so much buzz.
I'm not superstitious, a few OCD tendencies to deal with but, I still say NO cover.
 
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