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theincrediblesok":1tp6onqe said:This specific thread is only about Tom Cable's system I added the notation of the Raiders in there because I believe they are still using Tom's foundation over there, please correct me if I am wrong.
Don't forget when Wilson is in the hurry offense he puts up massive yards compared to Tarvaris in it. Better QB, better leading offense, Papa Johns.
Is the playcalling for Harvin's Bevell fault, how come he was able to use him all over the place during his Viking years but couldn't do it here, could it be that Pete limited Harvin to those short route roles knowing that they were trying too hard not to get him injured. When Harvin did get more of that role in the Jet's offense he got injured?
I agree with you on some points, Cable's o-line is a heavy clock chewing full tilt rushing team, his system has to have more rushing to be successful. There are other teams out there that uses ZBS but they pass more and their strengths on the o-line is better for pass protection. Then there is the Dallas O-linemen which started to be really good at both (Why can't we get/draft guys that are great at both?). Even our passing play is slow developing deep bombs just like Pete said he uses the run to set out the Deep routes, but we don't have much of a deep threat in Kearse, Sidney was money for us when he was healthy.
If you look at our roster our guys are damn good at run blocking, but how much credit do you give to them when Marshawn have crazy YAC every season, and with Wilson it looks even much better. If we took away Marshawn's YAC and the threat of Wilson, then we might not even have a great rushing team.
Tom Cable
Year - Attemps passing - Attempts rushing
2006 - 416 - 537
2007 - 451 - 508
2008 - 421 - 459
2009 - 485 - 410
2010 - 491 - 504
2011 - 509 - 444 Tarvaris Year
2012 - 405 - 536
2013 - 420 - 509
2014 - 454 - 525
I agree for 2011 with Tarvaris they threw way too much, but it was a turning point it helped the team found it's identity and by half of the season they went 5-3, the problem was Tarvaris was injured and he was throwing INT like nobody's business.
Darrell Bevell
Year - Attempts Passing - Attempts Rushing - Win/Lose
2006 - 540 - 530 - 6/10
2007 - 432 - 494 - 8/8
2008 - 452 - 444 - 10/6
2009 - 553 - 548 - 12-4 * Sidney Rice 121 Targets came down with 83 of em for 1312 yards
2010 - 505 - 503 - 6/10
While checking something else look at what I've found for Bevell, he only produce 1 WR as a 1k yarder. It shows that having Bevell and Cable pretty much limits us to having that 1k yarder. As some speculated that he might misuse Graham, and that is a possibility but it also shows with a good QB in 2009 he can make someone produce those yards, but it looks like it will have to be a faster pace offense.
Since Cable left Oakland, they left the zone system, then went back to it.
As far as Wilson excelling when in the hurry up, yes he has. He also has a lot more autonomy when in the hurry up, and he rarely runs it anywhere but the 4 minute offense. Tarvaris was in it all game long, and Bevell was calling the plays.