Soon to be the End of the Pete Carroll Era?

[jammerhawk]

In answer to the opening post, short answer.

Uh? No!

Really? C'mon man? He's the youngest old coach in the league.

Give your head a shake, Pete will be telling the truth a lot though on Monday and with a short week there won't be time to smooch up any butt sore poor underperformers from yesterday and there were many.

 

[Mojambo]

One blow out loss in 5 years...

Gotta love "The 12."

 

[zchurch74]

I was actually thinking about this yesterday. Not totally because of the blowout but a lot to do with his body language on the sidelines and his interviews. Pete used to have a lot more spunk and was more exciting to listen to and watch.

I totally agree with him going out on his own terms. We will make the playoffs this year and again next year. We will probably win the West both years. Pete will resign after next year and say it was a great run.

I don't think Pete will ever let Schneider fire Cable or Bevell so the three of them will all go out together on Pete's terms.

 

[djb28]

There are far worse coaches who keep their jobs and who get recycled for years tgat are worse. Pete is an excellent coach. I thibk it is up to our owner to say ," Hey, This O line problem?.. Fix it right and stop screwing around!" enough is enough.

It is too inconsistent. The time to learn your forever position is from Youth to College ball. At this stage you either have it or goodbye. We seem to never say goodbye where it really counts.

 

[lukerguy]

Go home.

Pete is probably the 2nd best coach in the NFL right now.

 

[12thbrah]

OP drank some bad egg nog.

 

[Sealake80]

I think the boggest change on this team is health.

12000 posts obviously doesnt make you immune to posting shit. Overeacting to peoples overeactions on .net is just as funny to me. Especially when a certain few nut up and act like its a free pass to be an ass.

 

[HawkGA]

The end of the Pete Carroll Era will come when he decides to retire. He's the oldest coach in the NFL so it will come sooner than later but his energy level suggests "sooner" isn't all that soon.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

This is how spoiled we have become.

This team is 8-4-1 and half a game out from the No. 2 seed. They are ahead in their division by a country mile. They have been decimated by injuries this season.

As bad as things have looked at times, and with some of the OP being true, this team has actually shown a lot this season. Our QB hasn't been healthy all season. We lost Chancellor for four games in the middle of the season. Bennett missed time following knee surgery. Mike Morgan hit IR early. Earl Thomas is on IR. Rawls missed a grip of games and is still on a snap count. Britt has been hobbled. Lockett had a bum knee and it showed for weeks. I'm sure there are other injuries that I am forgetting.

This team isn't crippled by the SB 49 loss. And if they are, they are mentally weak, which is in stark contrast to what they have achieved over the past five seasons. They are not mentally weak. If they were, they wouldn't have came back from a 31-0 deficit in last year's playoff game against the Panthers. Instead, they fought their asses off and closed the gap, and were an onside kick recovery away from completing the comeback. If the SB loss still affected them, they would have mailed it in and quit like so many teams in this league do when they are getting their heads kicked in.

People are finicky as hell around here. Today was a brutally ugly loss, and one we haven't seen in more than five years. Nothing went right. But this is the NFL, and things happen. The New York Giants, in the not so distant past, lost six straight games and still won a SB. They didn't give up when things got bad because they had been there before, and they knew what it would take to turn it around. Why do we not think the winningest team over the past five seasons won't do the same? This team is battle tested and knows how to win.

I honestly expect better. And I believe they will turn it around. All it takes is a run. Any team in the NFC can be beat. Dallas showed that tonight. And if any team in the NFC can go on a run, it's the Seahawks.

This isn't even close to the end of the PC Era.

This 100%.

 

[Siouxhawk]

I don't think the "2nd and wrong" in XLIX in the player's eyes is the reason for the downturn.
Too many games and plays since then. We as fans can simplistically look and say "there was the moment".

The salary cap, injuries, age, and maybe overconfidence by the coaching staff at times may be a problem and reasons for the drop off, but what happens if they go to the Super Bowl and win it THIS YEAR??? .....with those same issues.

There is still a ton of talent on this team, the core of this team is still strong. Have they underachieved for their talent level this year? YES. Have the coaching staff been slow to make ingame adjustments, IMHO yes. Have injuries to key players of the core been an issue, YES!


There have been a lot less talented teams in the NFL win the Super Bowl in the past decade than this team.
This is a down year for the NFL, if any year is the year to struggle but still make the playoffs and win it all, it's this year.

*allas, the best team recordwise, has looked like poo the past couple of games and if their opponents had any kind of offense they get smoked like Seattle did at GB today. It's all when you peak which is hopefully in the playoffs for Seattle.

I agree with pretty much everything here. But while I don't think the XLIX is the reason for the downturn, I think it was damaging to Pete's credibility in the eyes of the players. When you are being told to always compete and held to that standard, and then watch a coach make that call and then throw his players under the bus... I think I would be sitting there thinking WTH. While I wouldn't call it a downfall, this team has had a different feel to it since then.

Never threw a player under a bus. Just keeping the facts real.

Correct. It was Bevell that threw Lockette under the bus.

He answered the question: We could've gone harder to the ball.
Stop with this ridiculous narrative.

 

[HawkFan72]

To address the OP's point: Why does Pete Carroll get all the blame? Where does John Schneider fit into your equation?

I blame him more for the O-line than Carroll.

 

[HawkGA]

To address the OP's point: Why does Pete Carroll get all the blame? Where does John Schneider fit into your equation?

I blame him more for the O-line than Carroll.

By "blame" do you mean has responsibility for his decision to turn over the drafting of OL to Cable?

 

[aredub]

:187734: Troll! No way this dude is serious.

 

[Tusc2000]

Completely insane. Leading the division by three games, the #3 seed in the playoffs, half a game behind #2.

Just because we had a bad outing in freezing cold weather against one of the best QBs in the league. And a few of you want to replace the best coach the franchise has ever had.

As the saying goes, you don't know what you've got ,until it's gone.

 

[nash72]

Correct. It was Bevell that threw Lockette under the bus.

He answered the question: We could've gone harder to the ball.
Stop with this ridiculous narrative.

It was still a crap move by a coach under those circumstances. Pete took total blame and didnt drop any players name with anything negative associated to them. Bevell on the other hand takes the low road and lays the blame on the players. No wonder he gets flipped off by the team every now and then. He's a cancer to the organization and I cant wait until he's gone.

 

[nash72]

I thibk it is up to our owner to say ," Hey, This O line problem?.. Fix it right and stop screwing around!" enough is enough.

I dont think Paul Allen gets involved at all. He writes checks and has other people deal with stuff he doesnt understand. If he got involved, Bevell certainly wouldnt still be employed after that Superbowl horror.

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

PC will be on 710 momentarily
http://mynorthwest.com/streams/stream_kiroam.php

 

[Sgt. Largent]

To address the OP's point: Why does Pete Carroll get all the blame? Where does John Schneider fit into your equation?

I blame him more for the O-line than Carroll.

It's football, everyone's to blame after a loss like yesterday.

But if we're handing out percentage of blame? Then Pete gets a good 75% in my book. What we've seen twice in a row now on the road is an unprepared mentally AND physically team that's getting their doors blown off by more physical and motivated teams.

How does that happen? That's on Pete, he's not getting this team mentally tough and ready for the playoffs, especially when we'll have to go back out on the road at some point.

Does this team have enough talent to win a SB? If you answer yes, then it's about preparation and motivation. Both those things lie at the feet of one person, Pete.

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

PC will be on 710 momentarily
http://mynorthwest.com/streams/stream_kiroam.php

paraphrasing a little of it:

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What happened?
What a mess. Classic illustration example of not protecting the ball. Bounced their way every time. Erin’s accuracy was excellent. We looked like garbage, we didn’t do well anywhere.

Level of concern?
You’ve never seen us look like that, it was a strange game, but good for NE. We have to get our football right, and that’s what we aim to do come Thursday night.

Conditions?
Field was fine, we wore the right cleats, but we did not handle the ball well, and we missed some catches. And RW prepared great but ball wasn’t flying quite right.

Rawls?
Thomas ran well, we were okay running at the LOS. Will try get back to that Thursday.

Pass rush?
We tried to keep Erin in the pocket but he did a good job floating and the Pats did a good job blocking. We obviously need to rush better. We also had to try very hard to be disciplined about not getting caught out jumping off-sides, which can be difficult.

1st TD, after about 5 seconds the route went from a slant-flat to a wheel route.

Attitude?
We are plenty connected. We ran into a bit of a buzz-saw. Honestly? I’m not worried about it, we are ready to go.

The whole thing about the ball is such a big deal to us, and then to have a day like that was a big blow.

Bennett is doing pretty good, messed up some of their plays, got into the backfield, but we couldn’t get enough pressure yesterday.

On the Jimmy INT: Jimmy told me the guy grabbed Jimmy’s hand-warmer and used it to catapult past and get open. Refs didn’t see it.

Defensive play calling was the same with Terrell in the back end.

(then a bunch about Nick Saban)

We know the Rams can play good football, know they are trying hard to turn themselves around, we have to focus on this coming game.

We will be cranked up, ready to go. Wearing green – the whole thing!

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[RichNhansom]

Pretty impressive the number of posters with extremely low post counts jumping in after our worse loss in this Era to tell us how the window is closing, our coaches are giving up and it's all downhill from here.

Pretty similar to what some posters on the Web zone have been saying for years now.

Thanks for the update and your obviously vast knowledge but I think I'm going to stick around for a while and see how our future pans out before I decide to give up on this team.

I choose to look at this last game and see it as the inevitable game that was bound to happen sooner or later.

Pretty sure we won't be seeing weather conditions like that again anytime soon and we are still getting healthy so maybe this game serves as a wake up call and we start playing like we are capable of.