They didn't run a lot of cover-0. They were doing some amoeba stuff pre-snap so McVay couldn't tell the coverage to Goff, but mostly played cover-3.HawkGA":2e6nsy4t said:Can somebody break down the X's and O's on this. Why does Cover 0 work against what the Rams do on offense?
Sgt. Largent":3e23b2dj said:Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.
That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com
So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.
I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.Sgt. Largent":uws8s0kw said:Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.
That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com
So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.
knownone":2m3d5szy said:I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.Sgt. Largent":2m3d5szy said:Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.
That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com
So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes
Sgt. Largent":35sqobv2 said:knownone":35sqobv2 said:I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.Sgt. Largent":35sqobv2 said:Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.
That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com
So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.
That's why I said;
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes
But it doesn't compare to what Belichick can scheme regardless of who's on the field. Chung went out with a broken arm, Gillmore was dinged up.......and they didn't miss a beat. They still made the Ram's offense look pathetic.
So to try and copy what the Patriot's did? That IMO is not something you just install a week or two beforehand, that's something Belichick and his coaches have worked on and perfected for years and years.
I was specifically talking about this line:Sgt. Largent":hoxt8un6 said:knownone":hoxt8un6 said:I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.Sgt. Largent":hoxt8un6 said:Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.
That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com
So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.
That's why I said;
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes
But it doesn't compare to what Belichick can scheme regardless of who's on the field. Chung went out with a broken arm, Gillmore was dinged up.......and they didn't miss a beat. They still made the Ram's offense look pathetic.
So to try and copy what the Patriot's did? That IMO is not something you just install a week or two beforehand, that's something Belichick and his coaches have worked on and perfected for years and years.
But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing
ImTheScientist":y0ev3hxi said:The patriots defensive personnel is better than the hawks.
HawkGA":1k2c23ig said:Sgt. Largent":1k2c23ig said:Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.
That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com
So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.
Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.
Good stuff. Here's another article that goes into a bit more detail (was linked in the article you sent).
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/bill- ... -bowl-liii
Sgt. Largent":24dsjat8 said:The Patriots lost Chung in the 2nd half, and Gillmore was also injured.......and other than Hightower most people couldn't even name anyone on their defense. Brown? Guy? Wise? Van Noy? Roberts?
It's maddening really. Every other team has major injuries or average players and it's the difference between winning and losing..........the Patriots just plug and play and never miss a beat.
Sgt. Largent":1a5iz8w4 said:ImTheScientist":1a5iz8w4 said:The patriots defensive personnel is better than the hawks.
The Patriots have good players, but they never have the most talented roster in the league, on either side of the ball.
So it's not personnel, it's about scheme, and no one in the history of the league has been a more brilliant schemer than Belichick.
The Patriots lost Chung in the 2nd half, and Gillmore was also injured.......and other than Hightower most people couldn't even name anyone on their defense. Brown? Guy? Wise? Van Noy? Roberts?
It's maddening really. Every other team has major injuries or average players and it's the difference between winning and losing..........the Patriots just plug and play and never miss a beat.