Poll: YOU are GM, extend Russell at $50 million per?

[Rat]

It does not work like that.

QBs are expensive. So Elite QBs tend to go to the SB every 4-5th year.

But they tend to be top teams and in the playoffs for a decade.

Winning teams have great QBs.

It used to be the key thing that determined the success of a team was the quality of the coach. That was the #1 thing. Great coaches tended to win.

The rule changes have altered that. The key factor that determines the success of a team is now the QB.

Look at Denver and San Diego as perfect examples. San Diego isn't great. But they are going to be a playoff team shortly. Cincy already is, and did not really improve that much besides the QB play and the WR.

Meanwhile Denver is stacked. That defense was also legit. But the coach was still fired. Because they had no QB.

You get rid of Wilson, you get rid of your future unless you can find another great QB. (The good news, as others have pointed out, is that JS seems to have some sort of sixth sense for who is going to be a stud QB. So maybe slim chance we can find another - but long odds...)

Regardless, if you don't have a plan to get a great QB, you cannot let Wilson go. Because there is no playoff future without him.

Is going to the playoffs for another 5 years, and maybe making 1 more SB appearance worth it? Then you extend him (if possible).

Unless you just want to burn it all to the ground and start over. But you aren't running it back without him.

You can't really compare Russ to Burrow and Herbert, considering what those two are making. Anybody would love to get Russ on either of their deals.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I wouldn't pay Rodgers $50m a year let alone Russell. Any team that has a QB sucking up that amount of cap is not going to the SB. You need him at a reasonable rate to afford surrounding players that can help get you there.

We had this same discussions last time Russell was extended and made the highest paid QB in the league.

That's how this works, next elite QB gets more than the last guy. Mahomes and Allen just got 43M and 45M, so after Rodgers gets 48-50M, guess what ol' Russell's going to want next off season to stay here?

So that's the question. Are you giving him 50M+?

It's not hell no pay him less, that's now how this works. He's not accepting less.

 

[xray]

Let's be real here . Wilson will once again ' watch ' the Superbowl not participate in it . In fact he is watching the playoffs too . To put things in perspective ; Brady has never made that kind of money and he is running out of fingers for his rings . $50 mill per year extension for Wilson ? Nope--never !

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Let's be real here . Wilson will once again ' watch ' the Superbowl not participate in it . In fact he is watching the playoffs too . To put things in perspective ; Brady has never made that kind of money and he is running out of fingers for his rings . $50 mill per year extension for Wilson ? Nope--never !

Brady's doing the same thing in Tampa as he did in NE, taking short one or two year deals with half his money up front in signing bonuses.

So he's still making 40-45M a year, it's just that it's ALL cap hit, and half in bonus.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-b ... rady-4619/

It's also very risky for him and the team, cause it's front loaded with 50M in cap hit if he gets hurt. So I guess Russell could start going that route.

But doubt it, he's not on his 10th contract like Brady. So my guess is he's going to want a 4-5 year deal with 150M+ guaranteed. Not year to year.

 

[chris98251]

Wilson is going to want to be the highest paid, he has taken a lot of hits for his team and produced, he earned it, ok now that the Agent speak is over.

50 million, 4 year deal or so plus a bonus of 60 million spread over the term, then add incentives. Why would he accept less.

Currently.

1. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: $45 million
2. Bills QB Josh Allen: $43 million
3. Cowboys QB Dak Prescott: $40 million
4. Texans QB Deshaun Watson: $39 million
5. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
6.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
6. Lion QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
8. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $33 million
9. Colts QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
10. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million

 

[AROS]

So that's the question. Are you giving him 50M+?

It's not hell no pay him less, that's now how this works. He's not accepting less.

It's an easy question to answer, and I'm a Russ Fan Boy...

NOPE!

That's Super Bowl Suicide.

 

[John63]

First, this whole thing was set up for the answer to be no. The assumption he would want 50 il. and more the lack of explaining how much the cap will have increased by then. But that's Okay almost everything on this forum lately is made to make Wilson look bad. Might as well change the name to the Wilson hater forum.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

First, this whole thing was set up for the answer to be no. The assumption he would want 50 il. and more the lack of explaining how much the cap will have increased by then. But that's Okay almost everything on this forum lately is made to make Wilson look bad. Might as well change the name to the Wilson hater forum.

Why not give the forum members more credit than having some agenda or bias against Wilson.

I love Russ, I love how hard he plays, I love how he's committed to his craft. That doesn't mean I'm OK with handing him another 4-5 year monster extension making him the highest paid QB in the league.

Not after last year, or even the last year 1/2.

This is especially true if Pete's staying, and that sure looks like the case.

It's amazing how few people on this forum get nuance. You're either all in, or all out on every player, coach and situation. There's no room for nuance or complicated questions.

No, I don't want to pay a QB 50+M who's now 34 and slowing down and going to be injured more and more as his career winds down in a run first ball control offense with a coach who he clashes with over playcalling and scheme constantly.

I don't think that's a good use of cap space.

 

[ZagHawk]

There is literally only one QB worth elite QB money and that's Aaron Rodgers. Because apparently he can win games and carry a team to and through the playoffs no matter what is going on with the rest of his team. RW has not and will never be this player. He's pull a few 4th quarter comebacks out of his ass, but he does not carry this team.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Your problem is that 'non-elite' money is still $40M+

QBs are expensive.

You can have one of the better ones, that wins despite your coach.

Or you can have a crappier cheaper one that still costs almost as much as the one you lost.


Unless we honestly believe JS is some QB scouting savant, which might actually be the case.


But you will find out quickly that whatever we save on QB, we will squander on crap ....so not sure what we are saving anyway.

If we want a starting caliber QB, it is going to cost us big money. Does not matter who it is.

If we want to run with a rookie or bench guy, well then kiss the playoffs goodbye.

Carroll is a 5-7 win coach without Wilson. Is that worth $50m per? Probably.

 

[pittpnthrs]

There is literally only one QB worth elite QB money and that's Aaron Rodgers. Because apparently he can win games and carry a team to and through the playoffs no matter what is going on with the rest of his team. RW has not and will never be this player. He's pull a few 4th quarter comebacks out of his ass, but he does not carry this team.

Although Rodgers is better than Wilson, lets not pretend that GB isnt better clear across the board. Tough beating a team when thats the case.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Your problem is that 'non-elite' money is still $40M+

QBs are expensive.

You can have one of the better ones, that wins despite your coach.

Or you can have a crappier cheaper one that still costs almost as much as the one you lost.


Unless we honestly believe JS is some QB scouting savant, which might actually be the case.


But you will find out quickly that whatever we save on QB, we will squander on crap ....so not sure what we are saving anyway.

If we want a starting caliber QB, it is going to cost us big money. Does not matter who it is.

If we want to run with a rookie or bench guy, well then kiss the playoffs goodbye.

Carroll is a 5-7 win coach without Wilson. Is that worth $50m per? Probably.

But with a “healthy” early/mid 30 year old Wilson, with the way Seattle is constructed now, Carroll is a 9-11 win coach and that’s being generous!

Each year Wilson’s great abilities become more liabilities.

Is $40+ million each year worth it for a declining QB that doesn’t operate from the pocket efficiently?

Probably not.

 

[pittpnthrs]

No I would not give him that kind of extension, but then again, they gave a 70 year old coach a 5 year extension so I guess anything is possible.

 

[IndyHawk]

Of course an easy choice for me.."Hell No!"
For a no longer any kind of "elite"he doesn't earn what he
makes now let alone getting more..Ha ha

 

[Ambrose83]

It is incredible to me how many of you just think we get out from Wilson and magically we find a good cheap QB... Do you guys watch football outside of the Hawks ? Over half the league is still looking for that elite QB, many missed top 10 picks go along with that .

The cap is going up, kinda the opposite of our current economy... So 50 mil will be the new 35 mill in a few years. I still see Wilson as a elite player and he's worth the going rate .

 

[rcaido]

There is literally only one QB worth elite QB money and that's Aaron Rodgers. Because apparently he can win games and carry a team to and through the playoffs no matter what is going on with the rest of his team. RW has not and will never be this player. He's pull a few 4th quarter comebacks out of his ass, but he does not carry this team.

Although Rodgers is better than Wilson, lets not pretend that GB isnt better clear across the board. Tough beating a team when thats the case.

Im pretty sure it was sarcasm bro...There has been a couple times Erin missed the playoff and had losing record.

As for the question about paying Wilson $50 million, that's absolute yes for me. Wilson leaves we will be very bad for a very long time. I rather Wilson finish his career here and we get to watch one of the best QBs of all time. Then you can start your rebuild when he retires or when he can no longer produce.

Its not like our current team is surrounded by tons of young cheap amazing talent.

 

[chris98251]

First, this whole thing was set up for the answer to be no. The assumption he would want 50 il. and more the lack of explaining how much the cap will have increased by then. But that's Okay almost everything on this forum lately is made to make Wilson look bad. Might as well change the name to the Wilson hater forum.

What brain clot do you have currently the salary is going at.

Currently.

1. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: $45 million
2. Bills QB Josh Allen: $43 million
3. Cowboys QB Dak Prescott: $40 million
4. Texans QB Deshaun Watson: $39 million
5. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
6.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
6. Lion QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
8. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $33 million
9. Colts QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
10. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million

If he is all that you say he is and there is two years till payday you don't think the rate is going to be 50 million plus a 60 million bonus or so, his last bonus was 60 million also.

Unless you really don't believe everything your posting?

Or facts and Stats on Salary isn't one that matters to you.

 

[olyfan63]

First, this whole thing was set up for the answer to be no. The assumption he would want 50 il. and more the lack of explaining how much the cap will have increased by then. But that's Okay almost everything on this forum lately is made to make Wilson look bad. Might as well change the name to the Wilson hater forum.

What brain clot do you have currently the salary is going at.

Currently.

1. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: $45 million
2. Bills QB Josh Allen: $43 million
3. Cowboys QB Dak Prescott: $40 million
4. Texans QB Deshaun Watson: $39 million
5. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
6.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
6. Lion QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
8. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $33 million
9. Colts QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
10. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million

If he is all that you say he is and there is two years till payday you don't think the rate is going to be 50 million plus a 60 million bonus or so, his last bonus was 60 million also.

Unless you really don't believe everything your posting?

Or facts and Stats on Salary isn't one that matters to you.

The only QBs on that list who can carry a team in the playoffs are Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Aaron Rodgers. Matt Ryan used to be able to. There are others, on rookie contracts who could - Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. Russell is not in the same tier as any of those QBs. Even if the Rams win the Super Bowl, it probably wouldn't be Stafford "carrying" them, it would be that Rams defense. Stafford could be the difference, over say, Goff, between a Super Bowl W or L.

The LOB and Lynch carried Russell in the 2013 NFCCG and SB48. Russell did his part nicely in that run, on his rookie contract.

The LOB and Lynch carried Russell in the 2014 NFCCG as he threw 4 picks to GB. Then Russell threw another pick in SB49 to gift the game to Tom Brady. Those games are the truth about Russell carrying the team in a playoff game against tough competition. Not to mention the loss to the Rams last year, the playoff loss to Dallas a couple years back.

Why pay elite money to a QB who doesn't perform at an elite level? Trent Dilfer has the same number of wins as a Super Bowl starter as Russell does. The Ravens cut Dilfer at the start of the following season. The Ravens D and running game got the team to the promised land. Russell can't carry the team in the playoffs. We have years of data now that establish that.

Doesn't anyone recall that Brady and Manning took PAY CUTS so their teams could acquire more overall talent? Haven't heard a whiff about Russell doing anything like that.

 

[Spohawks]

First off, there has been some great content in this thread, maybe the best in years.

Yes, Russ is going to want 50M the next time contract talks fire up. The cap is going up not down and he will want his share.

I think the NFL sees Russ as a top 5 QB and so his freakishly cheap cost over the next 2 years will force a trade. Some team that is desperate for a QB is about to off load their next 2-3 years of draft picks for him and that steal of a contract.

I personally think with his loss of mobility, hurt hand and missing the playoffs that he has 1 max 2 years of high level play in him. I would rather get rid of him a season to early then a season to late.

"Sell the truck while it still runs"

 

[bmorepunk]

First, this whole thing was set up for the answer to be no. The assumption he would want 50 il. and more the lack of explaining how much the cap will have increased by then. But that's Okay almost everything on this forum lately is made to make Wilson look bad. Might as well change the name to the Wilson hater forum.

What brain clot do you have currently the salary is going at.

Currently.

1. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: $45 million
2. Bills QB Josh Allen: $43 million
3. Cowboys QB Dak Prescott: $40 million
4. Texans QB Deshaun Watson: $39 million
5. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
6.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
6. Lion QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
8. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $33 million
9. Colts QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
10. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million

If he is all that you say he is and there is two years till payday you don't think the rate is going to be 50 million plus a 60 million bonus or so, his last bonus was 60 million also.

Unless you really don't believe everything your posting?

Or facts and Stats on Salary isn't one that matters to you.

We need to talk in terms of cap hits. Cap hits and dead cap numbers are what matters for the team to do business with the cap limit.

Matt Ryan's 2022 cap hit is nearly $49 million. Dead cap number is just over $40 million. Kirk Cousins? $45 million hit with a $45 million dead cap.

Every time we talk about this and I look at the numbers, moving on from Wilson has two paths:

1) Rookie roulette, which teams can get stuck in for years or decades. The Bears haven't had a good yearly starter QB since Sid Luckman. Dude played his last year before the Korean War. If you hit big you get a few years of dirt cheap awesome QB.

2) Veteran signing. Serviceable QBs that hit the market cost about $10 million less than the clump who get paid the most. I feel like people consistently misinterpret how much use $10 million of cap space is. You might be able to sign two good players with that (maybe) if you hit things right.

This position absolutely sinks teams if it doesn't have a really good player in it. Plenty of teams build great defenses and rest of the offense but can't get even a solid QB and it just screws them. Wilson is at least objectively very good. Paying him means you have a really good chance at hitting the playoffs regularly and maybe putting the rest of something else together to get to a Super Bowl. Letting him go means you're starting over and taking a big risk and hoping you can hit on someone.

For a fan who will only not be miserable unless Super Bowls are won or arbitrary goalposts get moved (haven't been in a Championship game in <x> years), taking that risk is a no-brainer. But for an owner who knows the QB means they will be in the playoffs regularly, keeping the team interesting enough to generate revenue versus taking a risk of having a team people won't even fill the stadium for? They are in this for the money, they're going to pick the QB.