Danny Darko":2wpwe6d6 said:
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Maelstrom787":2wpwe6d6 said:
Not sure. Our record now matches what it was in 2012 and 2014. The Seahawks have been contenders for a long time and you don't just give up a seat at that table.
This is more #benchtyrod logic. Seattle has it great. That isn't to say that there aren't any criticisms to make of this team - there are many. But come on, this whole preemptive firing stuff is just silly.
It’s totally clear now that all the success you mention can be attributed entirely to 3 great drafts and the Marshawn Lynch trade, not Pete’s coaching. Now, with no LOB on rookie contracts, we see that Pete doesn’t have the chops to get the guys he has playing good football. I mean look at just the penalties. It’s one thing when you are penalized frequently but you’ve got the league’s best roster, but now? No ability to overcome them and yet PC changes nothing about these guys are coached.
I know it feels right to say “we’ve had it great, don’t complain.” Fact is that the perfect storm of factors that made us great are gone, and PC isn’t the kind of coach to adapt to a new era. I’d rather rip the bandaid off and get rolling on the next era of good Seahawks football.
So all he is credited for is 3 great drafts where the GM drafted guys to fit his unique scheme that has won over and over and over again in college and the NFL? Those finds were largely brilliant because Pete was getting guys nobody wanted because they only fit in his scheme.
I agree Pete has scorched us on some huuuuuuge games including the biggest, but he built a winning culture that is hard to achieve and has proven to be able to adjust to adversity throughout seasons. When you let go of a winner like this, you usually do not just get a Gruden or winning guy, you normally get 4+ years of turnover and BS. Pete is able to win fast... Holmgren's system was great but required committed development and forced concepts that did not include allowing youth to flourish, for instance.
Pete has not earned a dismissal here and the biggest issue that absolutely has to be a focus is protection. Even then if Duane gets right and they play tight for the rest of the year, we could be one RT away from a very respectable line.
Hell... Bevel is even targeting JImmy in the red zone these days. The natural death of an aging secondary and defense you secured knowing this would someday be the case is not a reason to fire a coach... nor is his penchant for royally screwing up the odd game like Dr Frankenstein adding a third arm in an inconvenient location.
The main issue here is I believe Pete's culture that he cultivated, and philosophy he built upon has crumbled from beneath him. We thrived during 2012, 2013, and 2014 due to a brotherhood that was fostered between all the members of the team. The players would chant "we all we got, we all we need", post articles, and trash talking from other players that put them, or a Seahawk player down and used that as motivation. He built the team on the premise of being the outsiders, the forgotten ones, and in order to be on the team you had to be "all in". Such talk has all but disappeared. In fact, in some cases there have been some evidence of divides in our team.
The first mistake Pete made was bringing in Percy. Harvin divided the team, and introduced a toxic atmosphere. Some players hated him, others stood behind him. The second big mistake was not firing, or at least holding Bevell./Cable accountable for our poor offensive production, and the infamous call. Bevell in particular handled things very bad. He threw Lockette, and Wilson under the bus. What he did was on the Jim Mora spectrum. I don't believe this sat well with the players in the locker room. Not only that, there was no repercussions for Bevell that we are aware of. We have also seen players such as Lynch, and Baldwin flip of Bevell. I do not think our players regard him very highly.
Our offenses woeful inconsistency, and tendency to stay dormant until the two minute mark, and end of the game has also caused some frustration from the defense. They even called the offense out once this year after a pitiful showing. This team does not have good vibes right now -- and for good reason. I think Pete preaching compete and practicing nepotism when it comes to his coaches has reflected poorly on Pete in the players eyes. Cable, Richard, and Bevell all have been god awful this year. I'm getting that same uncomfortable vibe that I got from the players during the Mora regime. That sense of family, and brotherhood that Carroll had crafted is gone.
We may be 6-4, but we've had to fight tooth and nail for it, even against inferior teams. At the start of the season we looked like hot garbage, despite having quite possibly the most stacked team in the NFL. Something isn't right with the Seahawks right now. I think Carroll is losing his team, and quite frankly he looks tired, and worn down himself. I love Carroll for what he has done, but since Feb 1st 2015 it has been a downhill ride. Each year the team has gotten worse, despite having a team that is stacked with talent. Carroll has built us some great teams, and done some great things for us, but he has also squandered away a team that has a few potential hall of famers,
In 2013 we had a defense that was compared to the vaunted 1985 Bears, and 2000 Ravens. The Legion of Boom was put on the same hollowed plane, and went down in history as one of the greatest defenses of all time. Despite retaining most of the key players the Seahawks have struggled to get out of their own way. Pete Carroll's legacy will be an interesting one if it continues on this path. The man who both built, and squandered away a historically good team. Pete Carroll's magic is gone, and the man looks worn down. I do not think he is long for the NFL, I think Carroll decides to call it quits after this season. I definitely think retirement is at least on his mind. Carroll won't be fired, I think he will leave on his own volition.