BubbaGump
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Fire Pete! All hail Jason Garrett!! Because that would be the upside of getting rid of Pete Carrol. The F•*+ing HORROR of a thought that is.
Aros":2urk0b8p said:Oh God, the only thing worse after a shitty loss at home to an inferior team is the inevitable "FIRE CARROLL" posts that follow. Yes, let's fire the best coach this franchise has ever had after going 11-4 with a playoff spot waiting.
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Osprey":2fv9wudq said:Probably been said before, but have to wonder what this team would look like if Pete turned the offense over to a non puppet OC and put 90% of his time into the D.
While we’re at it let’s get an assistant head coach of clock management and challenges!
JustTheTip":3vgmxaxt said:People were saying the same about Holmgren when he left. Point is, coaches stagnate and/or lose touch with necessary changes. Those of us that have been saying it is time to move on from PC for a while now believe that is what the evidence here points to.
PC makes major game day blunders frequently (poor challenges or non-challenges, poor clock management, insisting on running the clock to 1 on most offensive plays which has two negative effects in frequently not giving Wilson adequate time to change the play if necessary and a predictable snap count for pass rushers.) He also wastes quarters or even halves of almost every game and excuses it with the "you win in the fourth quarter" bs.
He was absolutely the perfect coach at the perfect time for this franchise. I think now as the years tick by he is more tarnishing his legacy than anything else.
Aros":187o7c3k said:JustTheTip":187o7c3k said:People were saying the same about Holmgren when he left. Point is, coaches stagnate and/or lose touch with necessary changes. Those of us that have been saying it is time to move on from PC for a while now believe that is what the evidence here points to.
PC makes major game day blunders frequently (poor challenges or non-challenges, poor clock management, insisting on running the clock to 1 on most offensive plays which has two negative effects in frequently not giving Wilson adequate time to change the play if necessary and a predictable snap count for pass rushers.) He also wastes quarters or even halves of almost every game and excuses it with the "you win in the fourth quarter" bs.
He was absolutely the perfect coach at the perfect time for this franchise. I think now as the years tick by he is more tarnishing his legacy than anything else.
Tarnishing his legacy is a bit much, but I can't argue your points in general. Let me be clear...I am not a Carroll Apologist. I care only about wins, like he does, like you do. However, your points are valid...He does have tendencies that need to change or shift in some manner. What would interest me is if we studied a Patriots forum for years...How much would we hear their fans b*itch about the best coach in NFL history?
Not comparing Pete to Bill, but it's a valid question.
LymonHawk":2686kpn3 said:The real question to me is: If PC leaves, will Paul Allen's sister then sell the team?
In case y'all haven't noticed, Pete is a very charismatic personality. He's very Owner friendly and players love playing for him. And unless Pete chooses his successor, Seattle could very well lose the Franchise.
Just a thought.
Aros":2686kpn3 said:We can part ways there. I am not entertained by losses, like, ever.
Entertain me with victories. Not by excuses or cheap one liners after the game why you will learn from this loss and get better next time, blah blah. I am too old for that rhetoric. Yes, I get that the game in general is entertainment but losses are not entertainment, they are just disappointments and needless suffering, lol. :lol:
JustTheTip":1karnr69 said:I didn't say I was entertained by losing. My point is that, for me, wins in and of themselves are not entertaining.
getnasty":1dwuupc5 said:This team has a ton of injuries and really isn't that talented. Pete has them 11-4 in the toughest division in football with a chance to win the division next week. Come on with these weak post.
Aros":138a5agp said:JustTheTip":138a5agp said:I didn't say I was entertained by losing. My point is that, for me, wins in and of themselves are not entertaining.
Why? Serious question.
Fade":rsb69pbm said:You don't fire Pete, but some changes need to be made to help him going forward in his 70's. He has way too much on his plate at this juncture.
-Strip Pete of final say on personnel power. He still has the ability of course to give his input as the head coach, but JS has final say on personnel going forward, not Pete.
-Give full offensive control to Schotty, if Pete doesn't trust him fully in that role than Pete can hire an OC he can trust in that position. Pete shouldn't be meddling with the offense at this stage, he has a defense that desperately needs his expertise, and full attention. It is frankly, and clearly, a distraction for Pete.
-Pete focuses on defense, and HC responsibilities only. I think Pete is great at building a culture, and instilling the right attitude in his players. Let him focus on that, along with getting his defense right.
-Pete goes to school on situational football in the off-season, and has a plan when those situations come up in the games instead of flying by the seat of his pants, burning timeouts, taking delay of games, because he doesn't know what to do in the heat of the moment. John Harbaugh has a mid-twenties analytics guy in his ear on 4th downs as an example, and he is making him look like a genius. Pete has some "yes" men instead and doesn't really listen to them. It is chaos.
These changes would give the Seahawks the best of what Pete offers, and shields the Seahawks from his deficiencies, at his rapidly advancing age.
If Pete is a team guy he will agree to these changes. If not then, Pete definitely has to go. It's only going to get worse. People don't get better in their 70's with that much on their plate. They either continue to get worse, or they crash and burn like Tom Coughlin. Getting better is not realistic. He needs to delegate more, and be stripped of some of his responsibilities. In a more focused role he can definitely be better.
It's all pretty much moot anyway as I don't see him coaching for much longer. I will be very surprised if he is still coaching in 4 years. I would set the over/under @ 3.5 and I would take the under.
Money post Fade! Spot on. :2thumbs:Fade":3g7qbhkq said:You don't fire Pete, but some changes need to be made to help him going forward in his 70's. He has way too much on his plate at this juncture.
-Strip Pete of final say on personnel power. He still has the ability of course to give his input as the head coach, but JS has final say on personnel going forward, not Pete.
-Give full offensive control to Schotty, if Pete doesn't trust him fully in that role than Pete can hire an OC he can trust in that position. Pete shouldn't be meddling with the offense at this stage, he has a defense that desperately needs his expertise, and full attention. It is frankly, and clearly, a distraction for Pete.
-Pete focuses on defense, and HC responsibilities only. I think Pete is great at building a culture, and instilling the right attitude in his players. Let him focus on that, along with getting his defense right.
-Pete goes to school on situational football in the off-season, and has a plan when those situations come up in the games instead of flying by the seat of his pants, burning timeouts, taking delay of games, because he doesn't know what to do in the heat of the moment. John Harbaugh has a mid-twenties analytics guy in his ear on 4th downs as an example, and he is making him look like a genius. Pete has some "yes" men instead and doesn't really listen to them. It is chaos.
These changes would give the Seahawks the best of what Pete offers, and shields the Seahawks from his deficiencies, at his rapidly advancing age.
If Pete is a team guy he will agree to these changes. If not then, Pete definitely has to go. It's only going to get worse. People don't get better in their 70's with that much on their plate. They either continue to get worse, or they crash and burn like Tom Coughlin. Getting better is not realistic. He needs to delegate more, and be stripped of some of his responsibilities. In a more focused role he can definitely be better.
It's all pretty much moot anyway as I don't see him coaching for much longer. I will be very surprised if he is still coaching in 4 years. I would set the over/under @ 3.5 and I would take the under.
JustTheTip":2dzrqbtv said:Should starwars fans have been satisfied with the prequels simply because they were starwars movies? Same kind of thing.
Yes! :2thumbs:Aros":3rjdjr76 said:We can part ways there. I am not entertained by losses, like, ever.
Entertain me with victories. Not by excuses or cheap one liners after the game why you will learn from this loss and get better next time, blah blah. I am too old for that rhetoric. Yes, I get that the game in general is entertainment but losses are not entertainment, they are just disappointments and needless suffering, lol. :lol:
warden":1t82q3a2 said:Eight straight winning seasons,
Seven of the last eight seasons in the playoffs
Seven of the last eight seasons with double digit wins
It is an extremely ridiculous notion to say Pete Carroll needs to go