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keasley45":1ij2c1zq said:John63":1ij2c1zq said:AgentDib":1ij2c1zq said:This is a good point that people should keep in mind. NFL QB is one of the most difficult positions in sports and nobody does it perfectly. Kurt is pointing out some valid things that Russ could have done better. He is doing the same thing for every QB and all of those QBs could similarly find things that Kurt could have done better in his career.samwize77":1ij2c1zq said:To me this is the quintessential "armchair QB". Here is a very good QB looking at tape of another QB. He has the chance to play the tape over and over..and then come up with his opinion and solution. I am pretty certain we could pull up 6 or 7 plays from most any one of Kurts games and see something of the same thing.
Hitting the layup is one specific area that Russ needs to work on in 2021 and it sounds like the entire Seahawks organization feels the same way, from Carroll to Schneider to Waldron. None of us are perfect, and discussing a weakness does not need to become a debate about a player's inherent value.
This I agree with it something to point out something you can work on, everyone has things they can work on to get better with. I think the issue is some here act like Wilson is the only one who has these things to work on, or that it somehow means he is not a great QB, the you have some who say stupid things like "Layups are not for heroes, and we are blessed with a superhero. OCs have tried to fit round peg into ".
It might be true that there are folks here that bash Wilson, say he sucks, that we'd be better off without him, etc. I think its a bit extreme. You dont get to be mentioned as a future hall of famer if you suck. Plain and simple. But there's also a group that will look at the video at the center of this thread and classify the criticisms as the ramblings of an armchair QB, say that Warner has an axe to grind or that the plays he references in the piece are somehow invalid because they are void of context like down and distance or knowing what play was called... or that ultimately Wilson would be so much better if he played in Roger's system, or Mahome's system, or had Brady's blocking.
Both sides are nonsense and lack a fundamental understanding of the complexity of the game. A great O-line can look like garbage if the QB holds the ball too long. A middling O-line can look all world with a QB that gets the ball out quick. A play that works can look like it doesnt if a WR isnt where he is supposed to be when the QB looks for him, or when the WR is there and the QB doesnt get him the ball. You get the point...
What Kurt Warner is isolating are examples where the play is obvious, the read, fairly straightforward, and the execution and ultimate success, or lack thereof, clearly in the hands of the QB. Routes are run, blocking is adequate, and the ball never leaves Wilson's hands. There were countless instances in pivitol moments last season when the same thing happened and the blame can be pretty squarely laid at the QB's feet - blocking is good. the read is there, WR is there, and the ball doesnt come out. rather, the play goes for a zero gain or turnover... OR and this is the complicating factor with WIlson - he makes it work anyway and turns what would have been a catastrophe with any other QB into a highlight real play - but one that was maybe only supposed to pick up a 1st down. But a predictable first down that allows an OC to mark it off as a play that is successful in a given situation, thus building an adaptable playbook and blocks to build on as a game or season progresses
Its not hero ball. Wilson is great but has shortcomings. Unique thing about the guy is that he often cleans up or covers up his own mess (yes, he covers others as well) with his ability to reset the play with his feet and find a receiver anyway. He is HOF great, but has holes in his game like most any great player, outside of the elite few who are generational talents.
This right here is all I was saying. It’s just fun to mess with the guys who will defend anything about him. No one on this team should be immune to criticism, even Russ.