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Rex is a pretty diehard 3-4 guy, don't know how that would be received by Pete.
Hawks could actually pull of a 3-4. Doubt pete would go that route though.CodeWarrior":28vybgwe said:Rex is a pretty diehard 3-4 guy, don't know how that would be received by Pete.
WestcoastSteve":1305sugi said:Scorpion05":1305sugi said:mistaowen":1305sugi said:Excited for a QB coach change too. Get someone young and creative to help Russell grow.
Impartial about KR getting fired, he's certainly not as good as Gus or Dan Quinn. Maybe finding someone fiery like Dan Quinn from college would be a nice change.
Kris is slightly better than Gus, not better than Quinn for sure
Based on what? Gus inherited a terrible defense and made it better. We led the NFL in scoring his final year and aside from our collapse in Atlanta we were really trending upwards.
Quinn
Gus
Richard
ludakrishna":2mz4xv39 said:I want to know whether this is a Paul Allen directive. Pete still wants to coach, but Paul told him the coordinators must go.
WindCityHawk":1bfyfhej said:Wow, give our injuries on that side of the ball, I didn't think Richard did too bad.
I'm worried seeing Richard's name called before Cable's...
Scorpion05":1whfx6yj said:WestcoastSteve":1whfx6yj said:Scorpion05":1whfx6yj said:mistaowen":1whfx6yj said:Excited for a QB coach change too. Get someone young and creative to help Russell grow.
Impartial about KR getting fired, he's certainly not as good as Gus or Dan Quinn. Maybe finding someone fiery like Dan Quinn from college would be a nice change.
Kris is slightly better than Gus, not better than Quinn for sure
Based on what? Gus inherited a terrible defense and made it better. We led the NFL in scoring his final year and aside from our collapse in Atlanta we were really trending upwards.
Quinn
Gus
Richard
Actually he had several blown 4th quarters, and gave up early leads like he did to Atlanta. In the Redskins game right before that he gave up 14 points in the FIRST quarter to RG3, before his injury
People have a tendency to remember certain facts based on their biases. Kris Richards lost his defensive stars and still managed to keep a solid defense. Gus inherited young talent, saying he got a "Terrible defense" is the epitome of revisionism. He had young Sherm, young Earl, and young Wagz. Young stars all over that defense. Again, no one's saying Gus is bad. But this idea that Kris is terrible is extremely over the top and unfair imo. He's been solid. Could we do better?? Yes. Do I think we need a new DC? Yes. But he's capable enough to give us a defense that CAN win games
And even with his blunders, he shut down the Eagles high flying offense with Wentz, and the Cowboys. He reliably shut down the run outside of a few games. The 3rd & 10s were infuriating but outside of that I don't have much else to say. Richards also dealt with an offense that was 10000x less efficient than what Gus had
flmmkrz":29641mfa said:WindCityHawk":29641mfa said:Wow, give our injuries on that side of the ball, I didn't think Richard did too bad.
I'm worried seeing Richard's name called before Cable's...
This I feel is the problem, our expectations for our defense went out the window when the injuries hit, and rightfully so but we became easily impressed by a couple of solid showings. They still got smoked a few times in there and lets not forget when he had a full contingent of players this defense was under performing. The dline looked unable to generate pressure consistently all year, getting off the field for 3rd downs a continuing issue, penalties continued, temper flare ups continued. For the capital invested on that side of the ball, he wasn't getting the best out of his players, it's great that he made a few back ups look good but was that really something he did or did we just stumble into some good back ups. I definitely think Richard was part of the problem here
el capitan":2muh1ly3 said:Kris Richards has had the benefit of vastly superior talent, not to mention the experience that said talent has accumulated.
Scorpion05":tr3vqbrl said:WestcoastSteve":tr3vqbrl said:Scorpion05":tr3vqbrl said:mistaowen":tr3vqbrl said:Excited for a QB coach change too. Get someone young and creative to help Russell grow.
Impartial about KR getting fired, he's certainly not as good as Gus or Dan Quinn. Maybe finding someone fiery like Dan Quinn from college would be a nice change.
Kris is slightly better than Gus, not better than Quinn for sure
Based on what? Gus inherited a terrible defense and made it better. We led the NFL in scoring his final year and aside from our collapse in Atlanta we were really trending upwards.
Quinn
Gus
Richard
Actually he had several blown 4th quarters, and gave up early leads like he did to Atlanta. In the Redskins game right before that he gave up 14 points in the FIRST quarter to RG3, before his injury
People have a tendency to remember certain facts based on their biases. Kris Richards lost his defensive stars and still managed to keep a solid defense. Gus inherited young talent, saying he got a "Terrible defense" is the epitome of revisionism. He had young Sherm, young Earl, and young Wagz. Young stars all over that defense. Again, no one's saying Gus is bad. But this idea that Kris is terrible is extremely over the top and unfair imo. He's been solid. Could we do better?? Yes. Do I think we need a new DC? Yes. But he's capable enough to give us a defense that CAN win games
And even with his blunders, he shut down the Eagles high flying offense with Wentz, and the Cowboys. He reliably shut down the run outside of a few games. The 3rd & 10s were infuriating but outside of that I don't have much else to say. Richards also dealt with an offense that was 10000x less efficient than what Gus had
MontanaHawk05":7v6yza2y said:el capitan":7v6yza2y said:Kris Richards has had the benefit of vastly superior talent, not to mention the experience that said talent has accumulated.
And I suppose we're not going to talk about the injury to Earl in 2016, or all of 2017.
In 2015, with everyone healthy, Seattle was #3 DVOA against both pass and run.
He was also the secondary coach during the Legion's rise.
MontanaHawk05":3i9jftgc said:el capitan":3i9jftgc said:Kris Richards has had the benefit of vastly superior talent, not to mention the experience that said talent has accumulated.
And I suppose we're not going to talk about the injury to Earl in 2016, or all of 2017.
In 2015, with everyone healthy, Seattle was #3 DVOA against both pass and run.
He was also the secondary coach during the Legion's rise.
el capitan":ctrxyq3u said:Scorpion05":ctrxyq3u said:WestcoastSteve":ctrxyq3u said:Scorpion05":ctrxyq3u said:Kris is slightly better than Gus, not better than Quinn for sure
Based on what? Gus inherited a terrible defense and made it better. We led the NFL in scoring his final year and aside from our collapse in Atlanta we were really trending upwards.
Quinn
Gus
Richard
Actually he had several blown 4th quarters, and gave up early leads like he did to Atlanta. In the Redskins game right before that he gave up 14 points in the FIRST quarter to RG3, before his injury
People have a tendency to remember certain facts based on their biases. Kris Richards lost his defensive stars and still managed to keep a solid defense. Gus inherited young talent, saying he got a "Terrible defense" is the epitome of revisionism. He had young Sherm, young Earl, and young Wagz. Young stars all over that defense. Again, no one's saying Gus is bad. But this idea that Kris is terrible is extremely over the top and unfair imo. He's been solid. Could we do better?? Yes. Do I think we need a new DC? Yes. But he's capable enough to give us a defense that CAN win games
And even with his blunders, he shut down the Eagles high flying offense with Wentz, and the Cowboys. He reliably shut down the run outside of a few games. The 3rd & 10s were infuriating but outside of that I don't have much else to say. Richards also dealt with an offense that was 10000x less efficient than what Gus had
Kris Richards has had the benefit of vastly superior talent, not to mention the experience that said talent has accumulated.
And if you want talk blown 4th quarter leads, off the top of my head since 2015 - @Rams, @ Bengals, Panthers, Cardinals, Redskins....not to mention the constant 3rd and forever completions.
Steve2222":3rlzjl25 said:People can talk about the injuries all they want, but our defense was still loaded with talent and still got torched by QBs named Blake Bortles and Drew Stanton. Avril, Sherm, and Kam (who by the way I think Macdougald is better than at this point) nowhere near should make the D drop off like that. Just look at the half hearted performance the D put up against LA.
Richard definitely deserves his share of the blame and this firing is justified as far as I’m concerned.