Kendricks and Shaquem Griffin

[SantaClaraHawk]

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Besides him being the weakest link on LB, he also could be going to prison one month from now. Shaquem is No. 2 and no one has any idea what he can do.

I'm not saying start him necessarily, I'm saying he should at least be rotated if only in garbage time to see what he has. Shaquem has been here as long as Kendricks and he either is good enough to put into that role at this point or we need to find someone who is.

This seems far more reasonable than hoping Kendricks will both magically improve and then just get community service for crimes that could cost him 25 years. Putting Shaquem out there for downs of their choosing is also more reasonable than having to start him cold.

I've wondered why they haven't already done this, and I think a significant factor has to do with Shaquill and their human interest story. Having someone in a No 2 spot that you won't play but can't get rid of because it'll piss off his No. 1 sibling over a third-grade pact is even more unrealistic than the above.

We need a plan, and that's my idea. Thoughts?

 

[TreeRon]

IMO Cody Barton will play before Shaquem

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I think it's good to get Cody and Ben involved. But as they've just gotten here as rookies, you expect them to have a learning curve. Shaquem has seniority over both these guys, and what he shows would be closer to his true floor and ceiling.

 

[Mad Dog]

I think it's good to get Cody and Ben involved. But as they've just gotten here as rookies, you expect them to have a learning curve. Shaquem has seniority over both these guys, and what he shows would be closer to his true floor and ceiling.

So you want to give up on the season to try out the young guys and see if they will sink or swim?

I never understand the fans desires to see if the backups are better than the starters during the season. Usually they are not. That's why they are backups. It's the rare backup that Wally Pips his starter. I'd rather just trust the coaches know which 22 guys give them the best chance to win.

Now maybe if the season slips away on us we can start seeing what guys like Barton and Griffin can do.

 

[TreeRon]

# 1. I don't think Kendricks is a bad player
#2. "So you want to give up on the season to try out the young guys and see if they will sink or swim?" I don't think he said that.
#3. IMO, if Kendricks can't play Cody will play, not Shaquem (IMO).

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I'm not saying put the 2s out there to ruin our season. I am saying it's prudent to put them in at least when the W or L is a done deal in all practicality, and especially when there's a veteran shadowed by yet someone else who's been in the league two years but apparently can't be trusted to go when anyone has any choice about it.

I'm not saying Kendricks is atrocious, but he's less than Bobby or KJ. But more than that, odds are likely that someone's gonna get time when they've already pleaded guilty and been convicted for charges that could net 25 years. Which according to Schefter is 11/21.

Shaquem has CONSTANTLY asked for the ball. It's been part of the narrative since the Griffins got here two years ago. If he's worthy, he'll prove it. If he's not, he should be replaced. If Shaquill is gonna say that wherest Shaquem goes, there do I, then let him. But don't let Shaquem occupy a roster spot just because Shaquill insists. Make Shaquem prove himself and juidge as every other individual is.

When the Griffin brothers story first came out, I was totally for ti. Why can't a lb be successful with one hand? His stats showed he could do it so the opportunity was extended. He's had two years now and it's time for him to prove himself or get cut, same as any other player. I was with it until the 60 Minutes deal, which I kinda see as them ramping it up with Shaquill trying to shame the Hawks into keeping Shaquem for PR purposes. That is BS. Shaquem's rookie period is over, and his express job is to come in explicitly for Kendricks as opposed to Wagner or Wright. Shaquem and the team have known that for two years now.

This is not Lifetime TV. It's time for Shaquem to show he has it or not, and time for Shaquill to decide whether he wants to walk if/when his sibling gets cut---especially when said sibling got the chance they both have been asking for. NFL teams aren't going to go for a 1 for 2 deal with no value in the 2. If there is value in Shaquem then let's see it.

 

[WestcoastSteve]

I think it's good to get Cody and Ben involved. But as they've just gotten here as rookies, you expect them to have a learning curve. Shaquem has seniority over both these guys, and what he shows would be closer to his true floor and ceiling.

So you want to give up on the season to try out the young guys and see if they will sink or swim?

I never understand the fans desires to see if the backups are better than the starters during the season. Usually they are not. That's why they are backups. It's the rare backup that Wally Pips his starter. I'd rather just trust the coaches know which 22 guys give them the best chance to win.

Now maybe if the season slips away on us we can start seeing what guys like Barton and Griffin can do.

So much this

Shaquem is lucky he didn't get cut. He lost his job as the punt protector, now we want to run him out at LB.

Kendricks isn't bad because he isn't good. He's been okay because he's asked to matchup with WR's which is poor coaching

 

[WestcoastSteve]

Dude Kendricks sentencing has been pushed back like 4 times I bet it will get pushed back to the end of the season. Stop worrying about him going to prison.

Shaquem isn't not successful because he has one hand, he is not successful because he cannot cover a tight end.

If one of our LB's went down do you know what we would do? Not put in Shaquem Griffin, we would probably play more nickel like we should have been doing all along.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Shaquem is a fun, motivating story however like Michael Sam before him and his story that's all it is. A nice morality tale with no real results to show for it other then winning brownie points.

 

[kobebryant]

When the Griffin brothers story first came out, I was totally for ti. Why can't a lb be successful with one hand? His stats showed he could do it so the opportunity was extended. He's had two years now and it's time for him to prove himself or get cut, same as any other player. I was with it until the 60 Minutes deal, which I kinda see as them ramping it up with Shaquill trying to shame the Hawks into keeping Shaquem for PR purposes. That is BS. Shaquem's rookie period is over, and his express job is to come in explicitly for Kendricks as opposed to Wagner or Wright. Shaquem and the team have known that for two years now.

This is not Lifetime TV. It's time for Shaquem to show he has it or not, and time for Shaquill to decide whether he wants to walk if/when his sibling gets cut---especially when said sibling got the chance they both have been asking for. NFL teams aren't going to go for a 1 for 2 deal with no value in the 2. If there is value in Shaquem then let's see it.

What's the deal? You were on the Shaquill/Shaquem dynamic in this thread too: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=157661

In that thread you're saying he would have been cut in the preseason if not for Shaquill and in this thread you're positing an argument that he should be getting playing time. Which is it? Is he not good enough to have made the team or should he be getting playing time?

 

[WestcoastSteve]

When the Griffin brothers story first came out, I was totally for ti. Why can't a lb be successful with one hand? His stats showed he could do it so the opportunity was extended. He's had two years now and it's time for him to prove himself or get cut, same as any other player. I was with it until the 60 Minutes deal, which I kinda see as them ramping it up with Shaquill trying to shame the Hawks into keeping Shaquem for PR purposes. That is BS. Shaquem's rookie period is over, and his express job is to come in explicitly for Kendricks as opposed to Wagner or Wright. Shaquem and the team have known that for two years now.

This is not Lifetime TV. It's time for Shaquem to show he has it or not, and time for Shaquill to decide whether he wants to walk if/when his sibling gets cut---especially when said sibling got the chance they both have been asking for. NFL teams aren't going to go for a 1 for 2 deal with no value in the 2. If there is value in Shaquem then let's see it.

What's the deal? You were on the Shaquill/Shaquem dynamic in this thread too: http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=157661

In that thread you're saying he would have been cut in the preseason if not for Shaquill and in this thread you're positing an argument that he should be getting playing time. Which is it? Is he not good enough to have made the team or should he be getting playing time?

I noticed that too about the OP - weird

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I don't want to run Shaquem out of anything unproven. He lost his job on ST because he did it and they found someone who did it or who they thought could do it better. And now he's on a job with potential to be more high profile but that he's not getting the opportunity to do. One in which the person he's supposed to be relieving/replacing could soon be gone and instead of the person he's supposedly been trained to replace, they could be using someone else who wasn't trained in that specific position who just got here.

My point is that factually Shaquem is unproven in his present and primary role. I am suggesting that Shaquem now be given the opportunity to prove his skills as an individual seen by all and a decision made, rather than waiting for things that most likely will not happen. Could Kendricks get better, yes. But it is not realistic to assume a federal judge will again continue a sentencing hearing for a convicted felon. Or give someone looking at 25 years no time with abilities to travel out of state. Or assume that if this is allowed that the NFL will allow a uniform violation involving an ankle bracelet. (They just fined Big Ben for wearing an iWatch, on the sidelines, while on IR.)

We were gonna get to some proving ground with Shaquem, and that time is imminent. Perfect time to see if he'll work out or needs to be cut. If there's drama with Shaquill, rather deal with that this year than in 2020, 21 or beyond. It is time for all involved to see this as a football matter as it is for everyone else. Prolonging it does not good.

 

[chris98251]

So in reality you must have lost some money and want to cut Kendricks because you feel he is a criminal, that and make sure that swear words can't be used here also, Billy Graham Site is down the road to the right.

Kendricks isn't being used in the roll he was brought here for due to the slow development of a Nickel guy, he can cover TE's but not schemes used to roll a WR over to him, he was suppose to be a pass rusher and he is forced to be a cover guy because Pete doesn't believe our guys are ready.

We look bad because guys are not playing the rolls they were thought to be playing due to slow development of the secondary.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I love gambling, and for that reason refrain from doing it unless on prem. If I found it at Snoqualmie Casino in January, yeah, but otherwise no.

I think playing your seconds in garbage time is generally a good idea as you'll have more data on what they have. I respect that Kendricks may show more than what he is. But Kendricks' conviction and his subsequent and imminent sentencing add an element of urgency.

Shaquem is the designated next man up. That at this point should be all that matters. If he's started on selected downs now, that gives staff opportunity to work with him after having seen what he can do.

ETA: I have no gambling interests at play. Nor do I think cuss words should be banned simply over what I like. But if redacting such words could potentially increase ad usage and thus the ability of this site to stay alive, well why not. People can always put in f it, and it would mean the same thing.

 

[chris98251]

I love gambling, and for that reason refrain from doing it unless on prem. If I found it at Snoqualmie Casino in January, yeah, but otherwise no.

I think playing your seconds in garbage time is generally a good idea as you'll have more data on what they have. I respect that Kendricks may show more than what he is. But Kendricks' conviction and his subsequent and imminent sentencing add an element of urgency.

Shaquem is the designated next man up. That at this point should be all that matters. If he's started on selected downs now, that gives staff opportunity to work with him after having seen what he can do.

ETA: I have no gambling interests at play. Nor do I think cuss words should be banned simply over what I like. But if redacting such words could potentially increase ad usage and thus the ability of this site to stay alive, well why not. People can always put in f it, and it would mean the same thing.

It was the Smack shack, F bombs had always been forbidden in main forums. You and those like you want to change everything to form a bland be like everyone else forum, society, etc. What makes this site unique is it's personality and the people being able to relate to each other as people. Take the edge away, the ability to talk frankly and you get what all those other sites had before they went away.

May as well call us Generic .Net.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I'm putting the profanity discussion over in the Shack as there are threads over there on it and it's off topic to this discussion.

But as to this one: Kendricks is a convicted felon awaiting sentencing Nov. 21. He has a designated alternate whose specific job is to step up. If there's not enough confidence to even throw him into snaps where the outcome of the game is not in question, then that person like anyone else is unfit for the job.