Sarlacc83":xgcgrnqv said:
And what if you actually break down the uncaught targets? I remember the one Willson drop where it didn't matter because he was 6 yards short and shouldn't have gotten the pass in the first place. If you want to make this claim, you have to provide better (or any) evidence. What about the other two? Were they catchable?
2 of Russ's INTs were bad decisions compounded by weather. You don't get to toss them out with the trash.
This thread is disingenuous in its scapegoating and is quite frankly embarrassing.
I'm not trying to scapegoat at all. Facts are facts however. The problem lies in the plays he targeted to those two. Is that coincidental? Doesn't seem likely.
Your points are very valid. Can we break down those uncaught targets? Does Willson not deserve to be included?
Well, actually, I CAN break down each target. I downloaded the game video. I also can look up the plays on ESPN play by play.
First pass to Kearse. Kearse is right where he is supposed to be. This is a very quick route that has no time for separation. It's about body placement and Kearse has the defender boxed out. The ball is right in Kearse's hands. The ball, in slow motion, can be seen to bounce out of Kearse's hands before the defender makes any contact.
This is completely Kearse's fault. Wilson couldn't have placed that ball any better to give his receiver a chance. Result: Interception.
Second pass to Kearse. This one is all on Wilson. He hung that one. Lack of arm strength or throwing it into the wind or what I don't know. Maybe it was the sun in his eyes? But if he puts that pass 10 yards deeper it's a TD. Instead, Kearse had to hold up to wait for it and Dix picked it off.
Third pass to Kearse. This is the DPI interception. How many times have we seen Wilson lay up this exact same pass, Kearse cuts back, gets his body in position and goes up for it? Wilson looked bad not so much because he threw it to where Shields could pick it off, but because he threw it right where Kearse could bounce inside of Shields, go up and make a TD catch. But instead Shields grabs a fistful of Kearse uniform, keeps Kearse out of position and basically boxes Kearse out. Looked like Shields did his film study and was ready for that move. Watch it again in slow mo from the endzone and it's obvious Shields had a huge fistful of Kearse's jersey which he uses to help him keep Kearse out of position.
You could see the timing of this pass that Kearse was meant to cut back as Shields over ran the play. You could even tell because like every time they run this play, the WR doesn't look back until after Wilson has already thrown it. I ran this play in slo-mo and that's exactly how it happened. Except the part where Kearse actually, you know, cuts back. Instead he gets man handled by Shields out of position and Shields gets away with blatant DPI to make the INT.
Wasn't apparent in the original overhead view, but in replay, as I slowed the play down and asked myself, what is Shields doing with his right hand there? Oh lookie! Just for an instant we get a glimpse of DPI.
But in the end, it's Kearse's job to get himself in position for that pass and he didn't look like he knew he was supposed to be doing a cut back when he turned for that play. Instead, he ended up staggering backwards and giving up all positioning to Shields. Of course, if Shields isn't illegally grabbing a huge wad of Kearse's jersey, he won't be able to out position Kearse to begin with.
So that INT is on cheating Packers and blind refs making yet another Non Call.
Fourth pass to Kearse. This is the exact same route and the first interception, only deeper. which means Kearse had more time to see it coming, more time to get even better separation, which he did and less, way less, excuses to not catch that ball.
That int was SO on Kearse.
Fifth pass to Kearse There wasn't much choice on the throw for Wilson. Kearse wide right, 2 WR's left. GB left Kearse one on one with no safety help over the top. Kearse was Wilson's only target. The other WR's routes took them right into heavy traffic. But Kearse makes a play and it's a TD or 1st and goal.
Again, Kearse did not get position on the play. Nothing wrong with the pass, Kearse just got beat by the defender, who had better position on him. Should Wilson have not thrown it and taken a sack or should Kearse have fought harder to get position on the defender? Watching replay it was Kearse who committed OPI on this play.t.
I give this one to Kearse. Wilson throws it because he has faith in Kearse to make that leaping catch falling backwards we've seen a dozen times. But Kearse, once again, is unable to get position. He looks downright slow on this play.
Sixth pass to Kearse. TD. Game over.
So out of 6 passes to Kearse, I see one TD and 1 bad pass by Wilson, 1 defender got away with interference so well that I don't think anyone but I saw it and not until multiple views in slo-mo. 3 passes that were Kearse's fault, 2 of which directly led to turnovers.
That's Kearse's Terrible, Horrible, Really Bad, No Good Day, not Wilsons.
First throw to Willson Bad throw by Wilson.
Second throw to Willson Luke should have caught that. Easy catch in fact. zero excuse for dropping that pass.
Third pass to Luke Going back and watching it in slo-mo, that was right on Lukes hands. No excuse not to pull that in except, well, he's got hands of granite slabs.
Fourth pass to Luke complete for 3 yards. Baby pass so easy to catch even a caveman could do it.
Fifth pass to Luke complete for 8 yards and a manly man effort to push two guys backwards and get the first down. Luuuuuuuke.
2 pt conversion doesn't count in the stat line. don't bitch at me about it, that's NFL rules.
So all in all, that's 11 passes, five of which were dropped and entirely the WR's fault, two of which led to INTs. one pass that the db got away with dpi and an int. 3 that were caught and 2 passes that were bad passes by Wilson, one of which ended in an INT.
This was on Luke and Jermaine far more than it was on Wilson. Not trying to lay blame. Just having an Honest Monday.
