Jared Abbrederis

[SomersetHawk]

Abbrederis in the NFL = Jermaine Kearse. (That's a compliment). I think he'll be a really good hands receiver who will give teams a lot of bang for the buck as a #3 WR. I'd be all for Seattle acquiring him, except that he doesn't really address Seattle's need for a WR that scares the shit out of DC's. If it's a late round pick, I'd definitely want Seattle to take him, but not if it means ignoring the need for another gamebreaking WR.

Hypothetical question here (cause they're fun), but had Kearse had his lazer eye surgery back in college, and assuming he could catch the ball as well as he can now, where do you see him being drafted?

 

[HuskerHawk]

Abbrederis in the NFL = Jermaine Kearse. (That's a compliment). I think he'll be a really good hands receiver who will give teams a lot of bang for the buck as a #3 WR. I'd be all for Seattle acquiring him, except that he doesn't really address Seattle's need for a WR that scares the shit out of DC's. If it's a late round pick, I'd definitely want Seattle to take him, but not if it means ignoring the need for another gamebreaking WR.

Kearly, I love ya, but no way. Abby is a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald. Like other guys have already said, he is pretty much open every play, has great hands/high pointing ability, and very good after the catch. Joel Stave is SO BAD.

 

[kearly]

Abbrederis in the NFL = Jermaine Kearse. (That's a compliment). I think he'll be a really good hands receiver who will give teams a lot of bang for the buck as a #3 WR. I'd be all for Seattle acquiring him, except that he doesn't really address Seattle's need for a WR that scares the shit out of DC's. If it's a late round pick, I'd definitely want Seattle to take him, but not if it means ignoring the need for another gamebreaking WR.

Hypothetical question here (cause they're fun), but had Kearse had his lazer eye surgery back in college, and assuming he could catch the ball as well as he can now, where do you see him being drafted?

With the production he had, probably 2nd or 3rd round. He had good measurables. It's just the drops were... horrific.

I think Abbrederis deserves a late 2nd round grade, but he'll probably go in rounds 3-5. The history of the draft suggests a very real bias against white WRs. As far as I know, a white WR has never been a 1st round pick, and only a small handful have even gone in the 2nd round. Even Steve Largent was a 4th round pick. Wes Welker? Undrafted. Jordy Nelson was a late 2nd rounder but in retrospect he would not escape the top 15.

 

[kearly]

Abbrederis in the NFL = Jermaine Kearse. (That's a compliment). I think he'll be a really good hands receiver who will give teams a lot of bang for the buck as a #3 WR. I'd be all for Seattle acquiring him, except that he doesn't really address Seattle's need for a WR that scares the shit out of DC's. If it's a late round pick, I'd definitely want Seattle to take him, but not if it means ignoring the need for another gamebreaking WR.

Kearly, I love ya, but no way. Abby is a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald. Like other guys have already said, he is pretty much open every play, has great hands/high pointing ability, and very good after the catch. Joel Stave is SO BAD.

Kearse actually had more college production than Abbrederis did, has almost identical measurables and had the same knack for getting open. Kearse is developing into a really good football player.

I was among the very first to pine for Abbrederis, he was on my radar in 2011. I think he is a very good player, but he's not the Sidney Rice type of player that Seattle needs to find to replace Sidney Rice. I would LOVE to have him on our roster as a depth chart WR though.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

With the greatest respect, I'm not sure how anyone can compare a freak of nature like Larry Fitzgerald to Jared Abbrederis.

He's a middle of the road receiver. If he lands on a prolific passing offense like Denver and New England, I expect he'll put up big yards. But he's not someone I'd pine for in Seattle. We need some true size outside, a jump ball/red zone specialist with wheels.

 

[SDHawk]

Abbrederis also has concussion concerns.

Ryan Swope anyone? I remember last draft, I was screaming every round for the Seahawks to take Ryan Swope... It baffled me that Swope didnt go in the first couple rounds but it was later made known that the kid had legitimate concussion concerns. IIRC, I think his career at Zona ended before the season even began after taking yet another hit to the head in the preseason.

 

[Lynch Mob]

Abbrederis came in at 6' 0 7/8" at the Senior Bowl, 189 lbs... given the size of the WR group, drafting him, unless they play on moving on from Tate and use free agent money (or another pick) on a taller receiver, might not be the plan.

I was just going to say that I watched the senior bowl practice on T.V. and he looked small not the big target Russell Wilson needs.

 

[randomation]

With the greatest respect, I'm not sure how anyone can compare a freak of nature like Larry Fitzgerald to Jared Abbrederis.

He's a middle of the road receiver. If he lands on a prolific passing offense like Denver and New England, I expect he'll put up big yards. But he's not someone I'd pine for in Seattle. We need some true size outside, a jump ball/red zone specialist with wheels.

You are really underestimating both how fast Abby is and how bad Stave is, JA was pretty much the sole reason we were even in the game against OSU he put up 200 yards on a CB that is expected to go in the first round Bradley Roby, he did this with a qb throwing to him who shouldn't be starting in high school let alone at Wisconsin. I absolutely love the Badgers but Stave is just so freaking awful he has a great arm but 0 consistency. Its pretty much a crapshoot as to whether the ball will go over the receiver's head hit the dirt far behind him or by some miraculous happenstance be semi catchable. Stave pretty much single handedly lost us the PSU game, PSU completely sold out to stop the run 9+ in the box it was absurd he couldn't hit any of the multiple open recievers the entire first half. If we had Hack throwing abby has 150+ by halftime and the badgers cruise to an easy win. This is basically just to underscore how bad Stave is.

Back on topic I expect JA to slip to the third round possibly even 4th due to height and lets be honest being white he will still likely run a 4.4/4.5 but there is a stigmatism in the nfl with the exception of welker and of late decker there are very few good caucasian receivers, as such I wouldn't be surprised to see him possibly drop all the way to the 4th. Personally I was thinking if the hawks trade out of the 1st and pick up some mid round picks he may be available in the 3rd. Since the cap is really freaking tight on you guys I wouldn't be surprised at all to see that happen, and in that case I think JA would be a steal in the third round, he is sneaky good and I think a team will be pleasantly surprised when they see what he can do hopefully the hawks pick him would be very cool to see RW throwing to him again.

 

[HuskerHawk]

Abbrederis will be available anywhere from 2-4th round, primarily because of size and (lets face it) skin color. Dude is FAST. Track star in high school and I've seen him straight run by guys like Darquez Dennard and Roby. Kearse was good in college, but he was capable of getting shutdown. JA gets shutdown only because his qb is incapable (see video. Seriously what the hell @1:50). No, I don't think he solves the need a big target WR, but I would be very disappointed if we passed on him cause he is that good imo. Anyway, that's just my two cents.
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[theENGLISHseahawk]

With the greatest respect, I'm not sure how anyone can compare a freak of nature like Larry Fitzgerald to Jared Abbrederis.

He's a middle of the road receiver. If he lands on a prolific passing offense like Denver and New England, I expect he'll put up big yards. But he's not someone I'd pine for in Seattle. We need some true size outside, a jump ball/red zone specialist with wheels.

You are really underestimating both how fast Abby is and how bad Stave is, JA was pretty much the sole reason we were even in the game against OSU he put up 200 yards on a CB that is expected to go in the first round Bradley Roby, he did this with a qb throwing to him who shouldn't be starting in high school let alone at Wisconsin. I absolutely love the Badgers but Stave is just so freaking awful he has a great arm but 0 consistency. Its pretty much a crapshoot as to whether the ball will go over the receiver's head hit the dirt far behind him or by some miraculous happenstance be semi catchable. Stave pretty much single handedly lost us the PSU game, PSU completely sold out to stop the run 9+ in the box it was absurd he couldn't hit any of the multiple open recievers the entire first half. If we had Hack throwing abby has 150+ by halftime and the badgers cruise to an easy win. This is basically just to underscore how bad Stave is.

Back on topic I expect JA to slip to the third round possibly even 4th due to height and lets be honest being white he will still likely run a 4.4/4.5 but there is a stigmatism in the nfl with the exception of welker and of late decker there are very few good caucasian receivers, as such I wouldn't be surprised to see him possibly drop all the way to the 4th. Personally I was thinking if the hawks trade out of the 1st and pick up some mid round picks he may be available in the 3rd. Since the cap is really freaking tight on you guys I wouldn't be surprised at all to see that happen, and in that case I think JA would be a steal in the third round, he is sneaky good and I think a team will be pleasantly surprised when they see what he can do hopefully the hawks pick him would be very cool to see RW throwing to him again.

My point was I didn't understand the comparison to Larry Fitzgerald and to be fair -- if he's going in round four, how is that not middle of the road?

 

[Sac]

Bring back BMW?

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

I think the Abbrederis/Tate discussion is right on point. Particularly as it pertains to how this team moves forward.

There is a lot of discussion revolving around cap space and who is coming due. And as fans, we all look at the draft as a method of fixing your team. So naturally, we still look at the draft in terms of getting what we don't have.

But this team is stacked. It's deep. It has few holes. We aren't going into the draft trying to fix our team. Our team is fixed. It should be about maintaining the excellence we have.

And central to that sustained excellence, is spending money wisely. It is not a sin to spend big contracts on players who are special. Wilson. Thomas. Sherman. Harvin. Those are all special players.

Where teams get into cap trouble, is when they have to pay good players their full market value. Tate. Baldwin. Miller. Wright. Irvin. Giacomini. These guys are good productive players. But the delta between them and a good draft choice is manageable.

Tate is going to command 5m or more next year. Abbrederis is essentially a Tate if I've ever seen one. That's a huge savings even in round 2 over what we'd pay Tate. At some point, we have to identify the players we can reload with rookie talent. The most assured way to do that, is to identify the players we can't replace and pay them. Then replace the ones we can.

Taking an Abbrederis in round 2 would be like getting Abbrederis, Baldwin and Michael Bennett instead of simply resigning Tate. The difference in salary between Jared and Golden is going to be close to 4.5m per year. That would be a huge reload in my estimation. And definitely worth the spend of a #64 overall.

Would it improve the team? No. It would probably be a regression initially. But this team is going to have to pick and choose which second contracts it opts for if they want to keep the core of the team intact. That has to start this year, not next. I would heavily endorse selecting Abbrederis even if we were to select an X receiver in the first round (a vacancy we all expect coming). Because it would mean allowing the team to reload with similar quality to what we have. And at this stage of our team's rebuild -- we have to start looking at maintenance and staying young. Not simply adding what we don't have (which is very little).

And at #64 overall for a team this good, that's a very tangible win. Abbrederis is worth the pick at #64 for us. He is very similar to Tate in most respects. There are few prospects in this entire draft class who are so similarly matched.

The fact will be, we will have already made the determination on whether we keep Tate or not well before the draft. We won't select Abbrederis if we resign Tate. We will reload elsewhere. But if he walks in UFA, then I'd book that selection in the second the moment the ink dries. The tea leaves should be pretty easy to read come March.

 

[SomersetHawk]

Starting to really come round to the idea of taking Jared in the second. He's the most consistently open player on tape. I can acknowledge similarities to Kearse but he's a better route runner.

He offers much less of a gamble than one of the 6,3+ guys that might be available to us, and plus Russ has never really had that big guy to go get the 1v1s so I'm sceptical about seeing it as a need.

Of course, we don't know what we've been missing out on and Russ looked pretty good throwing to big guys in the pro bowl, but whatever way you look at it, the Coleman's, Benjamin's,
Matthew's etc. are all going to be riskier picks and may likely cost more than Jared.

If we were going to go for a big WR in this draft then the surest chance we'd have is trading up for Evans, and we're not going to do that. I just think the others incur too much risk, unless Robinson measures in at the 6,3 advertised.

 

[cover-2]

There are soooo many WR's I like in this draft; early round prospects, mid-round prospects, and late round prospects. The WR's in this draft are like ice cream, everyone likes ice cream, its just what flavor do you prefer.

Kelvin Benjamine & Davante Adams = Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough
Allen Robinson = Mint
Brandon Coleman & Martavis Bryant = Cookies N' Cream
Odell Beckham Jr. = Mint Chocolate Chip
Jared Abbrederis & Paul Richardson = Strawberry
Michael Campanaro = Pistachio

 

[SeahawksFanForever]

Jermaine Kearse is the best comparison.

 

[randomation]

Abby posted a 4.44 40 can't find the 10 split

Barely getting to see adams or Abby they keep talking during the start of drills and not showing the As seen KB drop a few though /shrug

Hsrd to tell though since it seems like some of the QBs are off.

 

[SomersetHawk]

Abby posted a 4.44 40 can't find the 10 split

Solid time.

4 in the bench press was pretty abysmal though. Not that it really matters.

 

[HawkStar22]

I like Abby too, but there is no gaurantees That we will for sure have a chance to draft him at the value spot our front office has him graded at.

It scares me to let Tate walk in FA'cy with the thought "we will just draft Abby to replace him," then the draft comes around and he goes earlier than expected or someone trades up in front of us in a later round to scoop him Up. It's too risky IMO.

I'd rather just resign Tate, and go find a freak WR in the draft (KB, ME, BC, MB). We won the Super Bowl last year without one though (rice was injured) so how important is it really to our success? Maybe we can take DL and OL this draft and wait next year for that WR if the right one doesn't fall to us this year. I also would be happy to have Rice back on a reasonable one year prove it deal.

If Abby does fall to us though in a reasonable round I would love to grab him, he would be great depth not only this year but for years to come in the event DB leaves, or kearse leaves, or if there are any injuries.

 

[randomation]

Garaplo or however you spell it has actually been very impressive throwing more impressive then Bortles so far.

Only "freak" wideout I really like is Evans and he will be gone long before 32 not impressed with KB he made the game winning catch but he also had a lot of early drops in that fsu game he only had 50 receptions last year its not like he was insanely productive and that was with the best qb in the game throwing to him. If JS were to let tate walk and go for abby I would expect them to slightly reach and take him 2nd round but I think because of how deep this draft is abby may go 4th to 5th personally I still like the idea of trading down to 2nd round early for a 3rd rounder pick up abby 3rd round and a tackle ideally xavier or yankey in the 2nd but I don't know how long they will even last so it would be a gamble.

Personally I would rather keep DB over Tate I'm afraid someone is going to offer Tate an absolute ton of money, I'm thinking the browns honestly they draft manziel and bookend tate with gordon and I think they offer him a lot more then the hawks can match.

 

[CPHawk]

If you want another Tate, but faster and more dynamic, you go get Cooks.